Yesterday the Today programme heard Nick Herbert explore how he thinks the civil service needs to change in culture and today the programme hears a response from someone who represents civil servants and someone who is in charge of civil servants.
Dave Penman, general secretary of the FDA, told Today presenter John Humphrys that "we need to celebrate the success of the civil service",
"The civil service is there to give impartial advice to ministers and sometimes ministers don't like that advice but that what makes good government," he explained.
Frances Maude MP, Cabinet Office minister, said that "it isn't just me that want to reform [the civil service], its the leadership of the civil Sservice" as well.
"We need a new civil service that is faster fitter and stronger," he added.
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