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Lilley on NHS failings: 'Buck stops in the boardroom'

According to the Sunday Telegraph, Robert Francis QC - who has been leading the public inquiry into Stafford Hospital - will call for an overhaul of regulation to ensure that poor managers are weeded out and there is better training for healthcare assistants.

Mike Travis, a children's nurse based in Liverpool, and Roy Lilley, former chair of an NHS Trust, debate whether these are the right ways to overhaul and improve the NHS.

Mr Travis told Today presenter Evan Davis: "The really important issue here is why was this allowed to happen... why was there so much suffering in the hospital... why weren't they [management] in control of their hospital?"

"It's not just about training its about culture of organisations," he added.

Mr Lilly said: "It's totally down to management and the buck stops in the boardroom."

"In the NHS you just see these rotten managers dump one mess and waltz off and take on a job somewhere else, and it happened in this case," he explained.

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