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Howe: I can't recall 'stony ground' comments

Lord Howe, chancellor in 1981, presents his view on this morning's Lords reform debate and Lord Heseltine's comments regarding the 1981 riots in Liverpool. Newly-released records show that he apparently argued against spending public money on what he called the "stony ground" of Merseyside.

But Lord Howe told the programme that he didn't recall using that argument about Liverpool.

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