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What has the Afghan war achieved?

President Obama has announced that 33,000 US troops will leave Afghanistan by the end of next summer.

Sir Rodric Braithwaite, former ambassador of Moscow and author of the book Afghansty: The Russians in Afghanistan, and Brigadier Ben Barry, senior fellow for land warfare at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, discuss whether sophisticated armies are ever able to win wars like that in Afghanistan.

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