But in one invigorating swoop at this World Cup, South Korea and Japan have destroyed the notion they are footballing minnows and done so with flair.
Now with both nations into the knockout stages, and a group winners, few would rule out the possibility of them advancing further.
Their desire and work ethic, which many teams are being hard-pushed to match, in combination with an exciting brand of attacking football has served as a wake-up call to the rest of the world.
There had been fears that South Korea and Japan would become the first hosts not to reach the second round but their displays are indications of how far they have developed.