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Sunday, 22 December, 2002, 15:15 GMT

Pick your SPL Foreign Allstars

Berti Vogts wants Scotland to play against a team made up of foreign stars in the Scottish Premier League.

Who would you pick if you were manager of that Foreign Allstars XI?


Scotland coach Vogts has suggested that the national team plays an annual game against an Allstar team consisting of foreigners playing in the SPL.

Proceeds from the game would go towards grassroots football, just as happens in a similar game initiated by Vogts in Germany.

The game would also be sure to provide an excellent spectacle for Scottish football supporters.

Who would you have in the team to play against Scotland?


This debate is now closed. A selection of your e-mails appear below.


As a travelling Scot, I have not been able to watch much SPL football for the last year. Despite this, ignorance and lack of football knowledge shown by some respondents to your 'Have Your Say' section never fails to amaze me!!! Unsurprisingly, most of these come from English and Old Firm supporters.

Consider this:

" Hardly anyone has mentioned Ronald De Boer "
Ryan Murphy, Scotland

- How many English people have watched an SPL game (not involving the Old Firm)... ever?

- there are just as many inept performances from English teams playing in Europe as there are from Scottish teams - Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle???

- It is very easy to look like a 'decent' player when you are surrounded by 5 million pound duds. (How many teams in Europe would take a second look at Rafael Scheidt?).

Anyway back to the topic of this debate! My suggestions for the SPL Foreign XI are:

Colgan (Hibs)
Skerla (Dunfermline)
Zambernarbi (Hibs)
Amorouso (Rangers)
Valgaeren (Celtic)
Arteta (Rangers)
Wiss (Hibs)
Valois (Hearts)
Petrov (Celtic)
Larsson (Celtic)
de Vries (Hearts)

Caballero (Dundee)
Broto (Livingston)
Lovenkrands (Rangers)
Robert Fairnie, Australia

As a Livi fan, I think it's an excellent idea, but who would people like Lambert and Ferguson play for? They would end up playing against many of their team-mates.
Samantha, Spain

Hardly anyone has mentioned Ronald De Boer. He is an amazing talent and would easily make the All-star team.
Ryan Murphy, Scotland

My team would be:

1. Klos (Rangers)
2. Ricksen (Rangers)
3. Numan (Rangers)
4. Mjallby (Celtic)
5. Valgaeren (Celtic)
6. Petrov (Celtic)
7. Novo (Dundee)
8. De Boer (Rangers)
9. Sutton (Celtic)
10. Larsson (Celtic)
11. Valois (Hearts)
Graham Lees, Scotland

My Foreign XI to play against the national team would be: Klos, Balde, Amoruso, Moore, Bisconti, Valois, Petrov, Arteta, Lovenkrands, Larsson, Hartson. Subs: Kjaer, Sutton, Caballero, Mjallby, De Vries.
Stewart McGregor, UK

" The foreigners that Rangers and Celtic have are nicked from the other 10 teams "
Robbo, Scotland

I think that this would be a great idea, and it would probably show how rubbish the Scottish talent actually is. And another thing, the team wouldn't be made up of all Old Firm players because there are other good foreigners out-with the Glasgow pair.

Anyway, on most occasions, the foreigners that Rangers and Celtic have are nicked from the other 10 teams. My XI would be: Klos (Rangers); Hernandez (Dundee), Amoruso (Rangers), Balde (Celtic), Rubio (Livvy); Carranza (Dundee), Fernandez (Celtic), Valois (Hearts); Larsson (Celtic); Novo (Dundee); de Vries (Hearts).
Robbo, Scotland

The SPL will be decided between Celtic and Rangers. Being a Celtic fan myself I naturally feel that Celtic can retain the crown. However, I feel that recent comments made by 'big eck' (Alex McLeish) regarding the requirement of two under-21's in the 16-man squad are ridiculous.

Whinge whinge whinge. Get over yourself mate, and look at the big picture. If it wasn't for all the damage that Rangers did in the late '80s and early '90s (to Scottish football in general) by buying in talent and letting the youngsters slip through the net, then the SPL wouldn't have to take such so-called drastic measures to help out the Scottish footballing future.

Or hasn't big 'eck seen the state of the Scottish national side. Currently sitting well below the NZ national side. A country that would list soccer below netball in the popularity stakes. I'm not saying that the blame sits firmly on the shoulders of 'big eck' and Rangers, but they have contributed a fair bit to the present situation, as have other SPL teams.

" How will you segregate the crowd? "
Alec, Japan

Stop whinging 'big eck', because if you won the current league you would applaud the SPL for their great foresight in making this decision regarding the under-21 rule. I look forward to hearing back from you regarding my view.
Stephen Bremner, New Zealand

My SPL XI would be: Hedman, Balde, Agathe, Valgaeren and Amoruso in defence. Arteta, Lennon, Thompson and Lovenkrands in midfield. Larsson and Arveladze up front.
Luke Byrne, Scotland

This is a great idea - Scotland v Celtic+Rangers. I think the manager of the Allstar team should be the manager of the current bottom team in the SPL, to give him a chance to show what he can do with some decent players.
Sandy, Scotland

How will you segregate the crowd? One half the 'Scotland' fans would be booing Lennon and Agathe in the Allstars, and the other half would be booing Barry Ferguson in the Scotland team. This idea displays a complete ignorance of the racism and sectarian problems that plague Scottish football.

An Old Firm combined team against Real Madrid, played at Hampden for charity, would have more appeal and help to bridge the sectarian divide.
Alec, Japan

1.Colgon 2.Balde 3.Amoruso 4.Dindeleux 5.Agathe 6.Petrov 7.Bisconti 8.Cabellero 9.Larrson 10.Zarate 11.Valois.
J Tait, Scotland

" Scotland might as well play the Faroe Islands again "
Gareth Anstice, England

Nice one David from England. Have you forgotten that Celtic beat Blackburn recently. So maybe you should worry more about your own country. Or have you not noticed how many non English players are staring in your own league, it's only a matter of time before it effects your international team.
Donald Munn, Scotland

GK: Kjaer.
DEF: Andrews, McKenna, Amoruso.
MID: Fabiano, Quino, Arteta, Lovenkrands.
FWD: Larsson, De Vries, Averladze.
Paul, Scotland

Scotland might as well play the Faroe Islands again, that's a big enough test for them!
Gareth Anstice, England

1) Klos 2) Ricksen 3) Mjallby 4) Amoruso 5) Numan 6) Arteta 7) Skerla 8) Valois 9) Arveladze 10)Larrson 11)Lovenkrands.
Matt Rosser, United Kingdom

I think this is a great idea but it will end up showing how the Old Firm buy up the best players from the rest of the league (Scottish or not).

At one point the foreign XI could have had: Sylla, Laursen, Latapy, Fernandez, Agathe, Canigga - all as non-Old Firm players.
Kenny, Scotland

I'm going to choose my team entirely from non-Old Firm players (to see if it looks any good on paper): Broto, Maybury, Skerla, Dindeleux, Wiss, Nemsadze, Valois, Townsley, Caballero, De Vries, Sara.

You're right, it doesn't look that good on paper!
Ross, Scotland

" Someone would have to select, manage and organise the 'Allstars' side and that might prove even more problematical "
Robin Owie, Scotland

The Allstar team would be as follows; Klos in goal protected by a solid back three of Mjallby, Amoruso and Moore, with industrious Ricksen, Arteta and Petrov in midfield. De Boer, Lovenkrands and Larsson would be up front leading the line.

The non-Old Firm XI would be; Broto, Zambernadi, Sengeweld, McKenna, Nemsadze, Lovell, Fabiano, Valois, Cabellero, Novo, Zarate.

By the way a match between these two teams woul be interesting!
Ahmed, Scotland

Come on now, Scottish football is a joke already. There's no need to make it more humourous by creating an 'Allstar team' which would struggle against Grimsby Town (no offence). Abysmal collection of players whoever selected, and an embarrassment to the beautiful game itself.
David, England

To get this idea to work in terms of national appeal, ground rules would need to be set regarding the balance of players selected from the Old Firm and the other SPL teams.

I would suggest a 'Rangers 5, Celtic 5, Others 6' split to make up a squad of 16 for the game. Someone would have to select, manage and organise the 'Allstars' side and that might prove even more problematical.
Robin Owie, Scotland

It would only be a success if the Old Firm did not monopolise the selection. I'd go for something like : Gk: Javier Sanchez Broto; Def: Balde, Amoruso, Dindeleux; Mid: Luna, Arteta, Caballero, Petrov; F: Larsson, De Vries, Caniggia. Subs: Lovenkrands, Valois, Sutton.
Allan Kerr, Scotland

Klos, Ricksen, Mjallby, Valgaeren, Ball, Petrov, Arteta, De Boer, Lovenkrands, Larsson, Hartson. Subs: Colgan, Numan, Balde, Thompson, DeVries.
Graham McDonald, Scotland

This sounds a great idea. My team would be: 1.Broto (Livi) 2.Ricksen (Rangers) 3.Numan (Rangers) 4. Valgaeren (Celtic) 5.Amoruso (Rangers) 6. Arteta (Rangers) 7. Caballero (Dundee) 8. Valois (Hearts) 9. Sutton (Celtic) 10. Larsson (Celtic) 11. Lovenkrands (Rangers). It would be difficult not to select more or less an Old Firm team.
Mike, Scotland

What colour strip would they play in? Would they just sew half a Rangers strip on to half a Celtic strip? Klos, Valgaeren, Numan, Mjallby, Moore, Arteta, Petrov, Ricksen, Larsson, Sutton, Lovenkrands.
Kevin, Scotland

" What an excellent idea - a great way to put some much-needed cash back into Scottish grass roots football "
Fraser, Scotland

Why bother? Didn't Scotland just lose the bid to get Euro 2004, no need to embarrass the team or the officials at with another meaningless game to add to the already cluttered fixture list.

If all anybody wants to see is the national team getting stuffed by a few goals then lets just reinstitute the home internationals - that way we can watch them getting beaten by England every year.
Steve McDonald, USA

I think it would be good to let the foreign team be all Old Firm That would give good experience to the younger non-Old Firm players from Scotland, and Scottish players who can't get a game in the first team at Rangers and Celtic.

They should let the Old Firm put forward all the other team if they can. Although in reality they probably wouldn't be able to. I bet one or two at least would be from other teams.
Rory, Scotland

What an excellent idea, a great way to give some much-needed cash back in to Scottish grass roots football and one that I'm sure would capture the imagination of the public.

Unfortunately it would end up an Old Firm Allstar team, as there are very few quality foreign players without these two teams. I think that Scottish teams have realised that now and are adopting the "homegrown" players approach. It would be difficult to limit it to two players from each team; which two Rangers and Celtic players would get in?
Fraser, Scotland

It would be a great idea. Just the sort of game to bring some cash into youth development or even the Scottish game in general.

If it was played before our own winter shutdown it would be a great way to see in Christmas and the New Year. My team would be: Klos, Ricksen, Valgaeren, McKenna, Numan, Arteta, Lennon, De Boer, Valois, De Vries, Larsson.

" It would be a nice match for the fans to watch "
Dimitris, Greece

They would have to put a limit on the number of Old Firm players though.
Rico, Scotland

As a Scot living in Germany and having watched many of the games between a German XI and Allstar team, I think it's a brilliant idea from Berti. My Allstar team would be as follows: Klos; Mjallby, Balde, Valgaeren; Thompson, Lennon, Arteta, Sutton, Petrov; Larsson, Hartson.
Jack, Germany

The players are: Kjaer, Ricksen, Moore, Balde, Numan, De Boer, Ferguson, Petrov, Thompson, Lovenkrands, Larsson.
Jakob Nygaard Andersen, Denmark

Congratulations for the proposal. It would be a nice match for the fans to watch. I hope that with all the money collected some will be offered to charities (ticket money) and some other to benefit youth football (TV rights money).

Gk: Javier Sanchez Broto; Def: Balde - Janos Matyus -Ricksen; Mid: De Boer - Arteta - Caballero - Petrov; F: Larsson - Rolando Zarate - Hartson.

Bench: Raul (ok he plays for Raith but he's quite good), Caniggia, Paco Luna, Nacho Novo, Nemsadze, Daniele Chiarini, Shota Arveladze, Didier Agathe, Cherif Toure-Maman, Nicolas Fabiano, Arthur Numan.

" There would have to be a rule of no more than two players from any one team "
Scott Campbell, Scotland

The opportunity to vote should be given to fans, just like they do in the NBA where the fans vote for the starters and coaches pick the bench players.
Dimitris, Greece

I really do not think this would be such a spectacle. The Scottish national team, in all fairness, is extremely mediocre nowadays.

This proposed Foreign SPL XI, which will undoubtedly be players from only the Old Firm teams, will tear them to shreds, and show the world how much Scottish football really has fallen.
Richard Maguire, Eiré

1.Hedman, 2.Ricksen, 3.Numan, 4.Mjallby, 5.Valgaeren, 6.Petrov, 7.De Boer, 8.Lennon, 9.Larsson, 10.Sutton, 11.Lovenkrands.
Ryan, England

My Allstar XI would look something like this: Hedman, Valgaeren, Muscat, Skerla, Agathe, Arteta, Bisconti, De Boer, Petrov, Larsson, Lovenkrands. Hopefully there wouldn't be an Old Firm monopoly on the Allstar XI side.
Andy Murray, Scotland

My Allstar XI would be: 1. Klos (Rangers) 2. Zamberdiani (Hibs) 3. Ricksen (Rangers) 4. Balde (Celtic) 5. Amoruso (Rangers) 6. Petrov (Celtic) 7. Valois (Hearts) 8. Caballero (Dundee) 9. Quino (Livingston) 10. De Vries (Hearts) 11. Larsson (Celtic).

There would have to be a rule of no more than two players from any one team to allow the game to be a spectacle for all SPL team supporters. Otherwise you will be looking at a game of Scotland v the Old Firm.
Scott Campbell, Scotland

The Allstar XI should be: Klos; Ricksen, Valgaeren, Moore, Numan; Petrov, Arteta, Nicholson, Lovenkrands; Larsson, De Boer.
Steve, Scotland

It would be an Old Firm Allstar XI. Klos; Mjällby, Baldé, Amoruso; Agathe, Petrov, Arteta, Lennon, De Boer; Larsson, Sutton. Subs: Hedman, Hartson, Valois, Lovenkrands, Valgaeren, DeVries.
Nicolas, Switzerland

Klos; Mjallby, Balde, Valgaeren; Thompson, Lennon, Arteta, Sutton, Petrov; Larsson, Hartson.
Anthony, Scotland


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