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Monday, 2 December, 2002, 12:36 GMT
Your footballing Hall of Fame
The National Football Museum launched a Hall of Fame on Sunday to honour the greats of the English game.
Who would you include?
The Hall of Fame has been selected by a panel of 20 experts, and is open to players and managers of any nationality or sex, as long as they have made a significant contribution to English football.
English 1966 World Cup heroes like Gordon Banks and Bobby Charlton make the list, as does Northern Irish great George Best.
From more recent times, Paul Gascoigne is included but his England team-mate Gary Lineker is not.
The women's game is represented by one of its original stars, from over 80 years ago, Lily Parr.
Who would you nominate?
This debate is now closed. A selection of your e-mails appear below.
A typically Welsh bias shown by Iwan. If he thinks Ian Rush is better than Gary Lineker. How many World Cups did Rushie go to? Lineker won the Golden Boot in '86,and four years later was just a penalty shoot out away from the final. He was more successful at Barcelona than the Welshman was at Juventus, so I would say that he deserves entry into the Hall of Fame over Ian Rush.
As an extra nomination, how about Bert Trautman, the German who played in a cup final with a broken neck.
Trevor Brooking - not only was he a great footballer but a great example for other professionals on how to conduct yourself. He was never big-headed and when you met him, it was as if he was one of your own. After the the goal against Hungary (away we won 3-1)it's the only time I've run around the garden twice telling everyone who wanted to hear that Trevor had scored. It's a great testament to him, that you will never hear anyone have a bad word against him. What a guy!
Geoff Hurst should be in. Hat trick in a world cup final anybody? Gary Lineker also. Top scorer in World Cup '86 and never booked in his career at any level. Outstanding club and international career. What is Paul Gascoigne doing in there? He is famous for being a buffoon and he wasted his talents and behaved badly on the pitch as well as off. You might as well put in the over-rated Beckham because he looks good in denim.
Herbert Chapman, who won the League three times in a row at two different clubs - Huddersfield and Arsenal. Despite being based around one match, Geoff Hurst is a must for providing us with our finest hour. Stan Cullis was a fantastic manager at Wolves who enjoyed great success.
He may have been a manger in Scotland most of the time, but Jock Stein was a legend. He was also the first British manager to win the European Cup. Vivien Woodward (look him up) led England to Olympic success in the 1920's, also playing for 'Spurs. Stan Mortenson would also be a contender (he scored a hat-trick in the misnamed Matthew's final). Stuart Pearce was a great character too.
I am not sure, despite being great, what Gascoigne ever did for his country, when put along side Alan Shearer. Finally, Bobby Robson, who is my favourite manager of all time. Look at the success he has enjoyed over 30-odd years.
Did you see who has scored 100 goals in the Premiership? Did you notice who Mark Lawrenson picked out - Le Tiss. England managers were out of their minds not to select the most creative and talented player of his generation. 101 goals and virtually all incredible. He'd be there just for sheer entertainment value. Lineker would be there as the great poacher and model pro. Gascoigne? Get real!
I think that omitting Stuart "Psycho" Pearce was a serious oversight. The man embodies everything good about the English game, passion, determination, bloody-mindedness and no small degree of skill. He missed a penalty but he stood up again to be counted.
That he scored 99 goals and played till he was 39. This is the kind of player that contributes to a national game and can and should inspire youngsters to play, at whatever level. (All this comes from an Irish Man U fan by the way) On that note the omission of Paul McGrath and Denis Irwin is unforgivable. And for those that can remember, John Giles and Liam Brady made one or two impressions on the English game.
Terry Venables, the only Englishman to be capped by his country at every level. Rodney Marsh and Stan Bowles as well. I'd also like to see Don Howe in there, a great servant to the game, under-estimated and under appreciated.
How about Stan Cullis as a manager? Two FA Cups and three league titles. He managed the first side to score 100 goals in four successive seasons, and pioneered floodlit friendlies against top European sides which ultimately led to organised European competition.
I think that there are two glaring omissions and one glaring mistake. Cantona, whilst a footballing legend should never be included in the first 30 after his assault on the Crystal Palace fan. That was disgraceful.
As for the two omissions: firstly Hurst, in an English Hall of Fame this man deserves to be in there just for those 120 minutes. Secondly, Herbert Chapman - a man revolutionary in football ideas and tactics. Apart from his success with other clubs Chapman led one of the most dominant forces in British football ever. A truly great manager.
As for my outsider, Tom Whittaker is a legend in his own right. Look him up if you don't know.
I think people might have misunderstood the nature of this 'Hall of Fame'. It's meant to glorify players who've had an impact on English football not players who've had an impact for England. It's an easy mistake to make though when the likes of Gazza and Bryan Robson are in there! Do me a favour!
And what's all this fuss about Lineker (although not many strikers win the Golden Boot) when his club career was always overshadowed by a man who was twice the striker Lineker was and won three times as many medals...the legendary Ian Rush. A definite candidate for the Hall of Fame if ever I saw one.
Where's Wenger in the manager's list? How many English managers can claim to have guided their clubs to two Doubles? He's evidently one of the best managers to have graced the English game.
I would like to see Matt Le Tissier in there. Admittedly he didn't achieve much success in terms of silverware, but for pure entertainment value there has been no one better in this country. OK, I am a Saints fan, but you know you agree with me!
None of the famous Arsenal back four! Surely Tony Adams deserves a place as one of the greatest centre backs. Looking back a bit further, what about the great Liverpool teams of recent years, and where's Peter Beardsley? The best link up man ever, and judging by the Masters football he's still better than most Premiership strikers!
I'm shocked that Herbert Chapman never made the list of managers. He was a revolutionary force in the English game and the dominant manager of his era.
I cannot disagree with most of the list, but there are two omissions that are glaringly obvious. Sir Bobby Robson should be there, none of the managers mentioned has won the league in three different countries and nor has an England manager since Bobby had a record as good as his.
No Ian Rush either, you must be kidding. While we all currently debate over who is better out of Henry or Van Nistelrooy, neither could hold a candle to Rushie who scored over 350 goals for Liverpool. The most shocking inclusion is Gazza, what's he done? I am convinced the panel misread Hall of Fame for Hall of Shame when Gazza was included. Since when have dentist chairs and starting fights been a prerequisite for inclusion with some of the most illustrious players our game has ever seen ?
It is very difficult to make a rational judgement on players from the distant past. Fifty years ago the English football establishment were unjustifiably arrogant and the so called greats didn't measure up very well when they faced up to the Hungarians or even lesser opposition such as the USA in the World Cup.
Of the more modern players Paul Gascoigne helped take England to within a whisker of World Cup and European Championship glory. John Barnes was handicapped in his England career by being surrounded by several weak players who just made up the numbers. Gary Lineker was one short of the England scoring record and like Gascoigne was desperately unlucky not to have won the World Cup.
Jimmy Greaves holds the England scoring record so he should be in. Alan Shearer must be worth consideration. Bobby Moore would be at the top of my list along with Bobby Charlton and Gordon Banks.
The 1970 World Cup team were probably the best we ever had and were the only team who could have beaten the Brazilians (in the judgement of Pele)that year. A mistake by Alf Ramsey (taking Charlton off) and two outrageous refereeing decisions (the disallowed goal and the refusal to give a penalty for the clearest penalty offence in World Cup history) robbed them of that chance.
Where is Tony Adams? Ian Rush? Ian Wright? Even Alan Shearer on his scoring record should be in that list. What about Steve Bull? John Aldridge? Geoff Hurst must be on this list; it's not every day you score a hat-trick in a World Cup final!
I would include Frank Swift, Tommy Lawton, Geoff Hurst and Stanley Mortensen to the players already chosen.
Come on guys, I know I'm only 15 but I don't have to have been around to know the greatness of Liverpool's defence in the era of Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson. They were the greatest defence of all time, except perhaps the England 1966 team. I must make my plea for this pair to be included in the Hall Of Fame, they are brilliance personified!
These footballers are all worthy. I am puzzled though why Gary Lineker was not there, nor was Chris Waddle. But then again I am sure this will be corrected in the future. Maybe in the future when they have retired; David Beckham, Michael Owen, Paul Scholes, Paul Gerrard and Rio Ferdinand will be added to this list.
I'm surprised to see that Geoff Hurst has been omitted as I would have thought a hat-trick in a World Cup final was a significant contribution to English football.
When the history books are written, Geoff Hurst will be remembered for English football's greatest moment. Whereas Mr Cantona will be remembered for one of the worst, his notorious kung fu assault on a fan.
A football hall of fame would not be complete without one man - Dave 'Harry' Bassett. OK, so he's never won the championship or FA Cup but so what, he's performed miracles at most clubs he's been at. The man is a legend. And is it me or is football missing personalities like Bassett, he's always guaranteed to put a smile on your face no matter what.
The omission of Gary Lineker is shameful; he used to be a great striker who never received a single booking in his life. He would definitely make it in my list, rather than Gazza who has contributed far more negative than positive things to English football.
For me, Stuart Pearce should be included. He played 70-odd games for England, and captained them from 1992-94. Though he missed 'that' penalty, when he played for England, they only ever lost twice (not including penalties-defeats). He encapsulated the spirit of playing for England better than any other player of the last 15 years.
The player that I would nominate would have to be Paul McGrath, in my opinion the best centre half ever to grace the English league. Just imagine what a player like him would be worth in today's market!
To include Gazza and exclude Lineker and Hurst is a joke. What did Gascoigne actually achieve in his career? The other two were model pro's and made great contributions to English football.
Without a shadow of a doubt Trevor Francis should be in there. He was not made the first £1m player for nothing. He is also a proven success at management level.
Some strange entries and omissions. I would personally include one of the first black players to make a big impression against the backdrop of racism - John Barnes, Luther Blissett, Cyrille Regis or Garth Crooks. John Barnes should probably get the nod because of his superior talent and 'that' goal against Brazil.
In addition, I would include one of the recent foreign superstars that ignited English football and led to an influx of talent. I wouldn't classify Cantona within this, as he wasn't a star abroad. Candidates would be Zola, Bergkamp, Ginola, Klinsmann, Juninho, Vieira, Henry or Ravanelli. Personally Zola would be my choice here.
Dennis Bergkamp, no doubt about it. If you put in Cantona you have to put in Bergkamp. He has shown many great football moments in England and has won both the FA Cup and the Premiership. Not to forget his performances in international games.
No Glenn Hoddle? The most gifted player for a couple of generations. What criteria were they using? How can Cantona be included and not Peter Schmeichel? Especially given some of Eric's more notorious exploits!!
Only 2 defenders have been included (and that is if you categorise John Charles accordingly) when most teams play with 4 defenders...where is Alan Hansen?
I also struggle to see how Paul Gascoigne can be introduced to any Hall of Fame for what was a 'what might have been' career. Surely Gianfranco Zola would have been a far superior alternative? Strong cases for Peter Schmeichel and Ian Rush can also be made.
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