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Carling Cup as it happened

CARLING CUP FOURTH ROUND RESULTS
Arsenal 3-0 Wigan Report
Derby 2-1 Leeds Report
Man Utd 1-0 QPR Report
Stoke 2-0 Rotherham Report
Swansea 0-1 Watford Report

GOALFLASHES AND MAJOR INCIDENTS (all times GMT)

606: DEBATE
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By Jonathan Stevenson

2208: All over for me, until tomorrow, that is. I hope you've enjoyed the little glimpse into the future Arsenal provided us with today. Will just texted in and asked me where I think this Gunners team would finish in the Premier League. Great question. 6th. Join Danny Baker on BBC Radio 5 Live right now for 606. Night all.
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2205: "(See 2136) Paul Robinson has more Premier League goals than Anderson."
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2202: "Hey Stevo, my girlfriend is shouting at me because I'm checking your updates on my phone and it's keeping her awake! Come on you Reds!"
John, in bed, York, via text on 81111

Please apologise to her. She (probably) deserves better.

2200: Full-time Manchester United 1-0 QPR

2159: Dexter Blackstock has a shot saved by Tomasz Kuszczak and from the rebound, Emanuel Ledesma fires wide.

2157: With seconds remaining, Nani forces a fine save from Radek Cerny.

2154: Gary Neville, the Man Utd captain, is taken off in the last minute and replaced by Nemanja Vidic.

2153: "Come on you Rs - keep the dream alive!"
Tasha, London, via text on 81111

2151: Four minutes left at Old Trafford, but QPR are putting some pressure on United now as they search for an equaliser.

2149: "I love the way everyone assumes that United were given a late penalty unfairly even when we have established that absolutely no-one on here is watching the game. Football fans are funny."
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2147: QPR have the ball in the net... Samuel di Carmine does the business, but he is ruled offside. Close run thing that, but reports suggest he was definitely offside.

2144: Park slams a shot high and wide and that is the story of Manchester United's evening - woeful shooting. Nani and Anderson are culpable, too.

2141: Full-time Swansea 0-1 Watford

2140: GOAL Manchester United 1-0 QPR
Finally, the Red Devils get their goal and it looks like we have avoided extra-time. Peter Ramage fouls Danny Welbeck in the box after good work from Nani and Carlos Tevez steps up to slot into the net.

2140: PENALTY TO MANCHESTER UNITED

2139: Full-time Derby 2-1 Leeds

2138: Full-time Stoke 2-0 Rotherham

2138: Full-time Arsenal 3-0 Wigan

2137: "Is it sad I stood up and applauded in my bedroom when Vela went off? Amazing lad."
S Bonnick, Wolves, via text on 81111

No.

2136: "Good grief, just when is Anderson going to notch his first at United? If he could score the odd goal, he'd be world class."
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2132: Best double save of the season, after a magical run from Wigan's Daniel de Ridder. That was Dutch class as he weaved his way in between three or four Arsenal defenders only for Lukasz Fabianski to tip his curling shot away, before the keeper somehow got up in time to tip Amr Zaki's rebound volley against the underside of the crossbar. Phenomenal saves.

2132: "Swansea have been a shadow of their former selves, it's a shame because they will not have a better chance of reaching the quarter-final of a major competition. And being in with a chance of playing a team like Arsenal or Manchester United in the last eight is nothing to be sniffed at. However there's a lack of urgency from Swansea."
BBC Radio Wales pundit Iwan Roberts

2131: "I'm with my granddad and he has been watching Arsenal for 85 years. He says this is the best Arsenal youth team since he was 10. He wanted me to text."
Matt, n5, via text on 81111

Blimey. Who was in the team when he was 10?

2128: With a Mexican wave going around the Emirates, Arsene Wenger takes off young Mexican Carlos Vela. Take a bow, young man - what a goal that was. Rui Fonte comes on for his Arsenal debut.

2127: Radek Cerny tips over from a Carlos Tevez shot as United pile numbers forward. Come on, I don't think anyone wants extra-time here... do they?

2125: "Maybe Wigan should have fielded their youngsters. They might have given Arsenal a game."
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2123: Dave Kitson puts the ball in the net at Stoke, but he is adjudged to have been in an offside position. It matters little, in fairness.

2123: Park smashes a 30-yard shot against the post for Man Utd against QPR.

2122: Jay Simpson gets a standing ovation as he is taken off and Jack Wilshere follows him off, with Henri Lansbury and Amaury Bischoff coming on.

2121: "Sometimes you just have to stand up, acknowledge the quality and applaud. This group of kids are special. And this from a Liverpool fan."
MJF, via text on 81111

2120: My colleague, listening to the Man Utd-QPR game, posts me this: "Update from Old Trafford - if ever a game needed a goal, it is this one. No inspiration, no chances and no excitement. You can imagine how well it's translating on radio too..."

2118: By the way, I don't care if some of you want to accuse me of over-doing it with Arsenal. For an outfield team averaging 18.7 years, this is quite remarkable. They play just like the first team, there is a staggering amount of ability. You will be hearing a lot of these boys in the years to come.

2115: GOAL Arsenal 3-0 Wigan
Emmanuel Adebayor is off his seat to applaud that finish - on this evidence he might have to get used to sitting down during Arsenal games, Carlos Vela is coming to get his place. The Mexican sensation controls Johan Djourou's pass quite brilliantly, shows strength to hold off his defender and then lobs the ball over Chris Kirkland with sheer impudence. This boy is absolute quality.

2111: GOAL Arsenal 2-0 Wigan
You know the Arsenal first team can break quickly? Well, the kids can too. A Wigan attack falters and the ball is spanked out to Carlos Vela, who sprints down the left and leaves a defender trailing in his wake, surging into the box, drawing the goalkeeper and teeing up Jay Simpson to rattle in his second of the game.

2111: "Ramsey, my goodness what a pass."
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2109: "Can't see Wigan getting anything from this game. As the saying goes, 'you don't win anything with Titus Bramble'."
Keith, via text on 81111

2107: Must score. Kieran Gibbs is played through by Cesc Fab- wait, hang on, it was Aaron Ramsey, doing a glorious impression of the brilliant Spaniard, but the marauding left-back Gibbs could only shoot straight at Chris Kirkland. They're like a clone army, this Arsenal team. Sensational.

2106: "You can see the one and two-touch passes, that is from the training ground you know, that's all they do. They let the ball do the work."
BBC Radio 5 Live's Ray Parlour

2104: GOAL Stoke 2-0 Rotherham
Danny Pugh doubles the top flight side's advantage at the Britannia Stadium after he is played in between two defenders and finishes coolly. Uphill battle now, for the Millers.

2102: Wigan bring on striker Henri Camara for ineffective midfielder Jason Koumas.

2101: Robert Snodgrass hits the angle of post and crossbar for Leeds at Derby as the League One side ploughs forward in search of a leveller.

2101: This evening needs a few more goals, I reckon...

2058: "Come on you Millers! We've beaten bigger teams than Stoke this season. Morecambe, Macclesfield, Grimsby..."
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2056: Jay Simpson heads over the bar from a Fran Merida cross at the Emirates.

2054: Amr Zaki has a half-chance for Wigan, but the man who usually demolishes a football with his boots can only tamely pass the ball back to Lukasz Fabianski.

2053: "Kirkland looks to be struggling with a back injury, his arch nemesis over the years. If he has to go off I fear Wigan will cave in."
Sam, via text on 81111

2051: Half-time Manchester United 0-0 QPR

2051: Stoke v Rotherham and Swansea v Watford have both kicked off in the second half.

2050: Back under way at Arsenal and Derby.

2048: "The scary thing is that Wilshere will only be 22 by the time the 2014 World Cup comes around. He could potentially play international football until 2026!"
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My goodness, thanks for making me feel older than life itself.

2046: "Leeds fans singing 'you don't know what you're doing' at the Derby fan who just got engaged on the pitch. Predicting a Delph-inspired comeback."
Ben from Wakey at Pride Park, via text on 81111

2045: John O'Shea plays in Carlos Tevez, but the once-first-team Argentine striker flashes a shot wide at the near post. Tevez, in a Carling Cup tie reserve team. It just doesn't sound right, does it?

2043: By the way, if you're out and about later, you can still follow this text commentary and get all the scores on your mobile. From a UK phone, just text FOOTBALL to 81010, it will cost you 10 to 15p and you will receive in return a link to our mobile site. Click on that, and you'll be straight through (then bookmark it so you never need to text that number again). The cost of being online on your phone will vary according to network and your own contract.

2042: Clever move from Man Utd, Anderson playing a one-two with Carlos Tevez and striding into the box, but the Brazilian twice shoots tamely and the half-chance is wasted. For all their possession, the hosts are struggling to create any real openings here.

2041: "Becchio is in a good run of form at the moment. Maybe be will be a suprise inclusion in the next Argentina squad?"
Sam, via text on 81111

With their new gaffer, anything's possible. Expect a frontline of Caniggia and Kempes.

2039: Akos Buzsaky hobbles off with an injury for QPR at Old Trafford, with Patrick Agyemang replacing the Hungarian.

2038: "What does Manucho need to do to get a game? He is the type of striker Man Utd have been missing. This match stinks of Coventry City last season, I can't see where the goals are gonna come from."
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2035: "Swansea made eight changes for this game but I can't see Roberto Martinez putting up for this too much longer - I can see changes coming for the second half."
BBC Radio Wales pundit Iwan Roberts

2035: Half-time Swansea 0-1 Watford

2033: Half-time Arsenal 1-0 Wigan

2033: Half-time Derby 2-1 Leeds

2033: Half-time Stoke 1-0 Rotherham

2032: "Rafael da Silva's brother Fabio is on the books for United too, he's a left-back - shades of the Neville clan. I'm wondering if their dad is called Da Silva Da Silva?"
Matt, Crawley, via text on 81111

2031: Almost a real mess-up by Radek Cerny in the QPR goal, the keeper spilling Nani's shot but he recovers to smother the ball before Ji-Sung Park can sweep in the rebound.

2029: GOAL Arsenal 1-0 Wigan
The Gunners take the lead and it's a deserved one, to be fair. Jack Wilshere threads the ball through the eye of a needle and Jay Simpson uses his pace to get clear of Mario Melchiot, poking the ball past the advancing Chris Kirkland to score his first goal for the club. It won't be his last, either.

2026: GOAL Derby 2-1 Leeds
Leeds pull a goal back at Pride Park and it's Frazier Richardson who gets in a cross that Luciano Becchio heads powerfully home. Game on.

2025: Emanuel Villa wastes a good chance for Derby to go 3-0 up, if he had squared it to striker partner Nathan Ellington he would have had a tap-in.

2024: "Don't look we have our act together at the moment."
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2022: "Admit it Stevo, even if Arsenal lose tonight, which looks unlikely, the way the kids play is inspirational and only an idiot would doubt what Wenger is doing."
Ted, via text on 81111

Ted, I couldn't agree with you more. Well said, Ted.

2020: First decent effort of the night at Old Trafford as Carlos Tevez comes in off the left wing and pings one goalwards, only for QPR keeper Radek Cerny to tip it round the post.

2019: There's an interesting battle developing at Arsenal between their young left-back Kieran Gibbs and Wigan's right-winger Daniel de Ridder. The Dutchman has turned Gibbs a couple of times, but the defender has got such extreme pace he recovers so quickly.

2017: "Grr, I can see Kirkland being the thorn in our side tonight."
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2015: Only one team is in it in the early stages at Old Trafford, with QPR defending deep and Anderson and Possebon pulling the strings from the centre of the Manchester United midfield. No clear-cut chances as yet but it may only be a matter of time...

2014: "I'm sitting next to someone who looks strangely like Marc Overmars... but I think he's supporting Wigan."
Harry at the Emirates, via text on 81111

2012: "It was one simple pass from Tommy Smith that set Williamson free to score... the defence fell asleep, the midfield fell asleep and Swansea have paid the price."
BBC Radio Wales pundit Iwan Roberts

2010: It's a one-man show at the Emirates, an exhibition of world-class goalkeeping from Chris Kirkland. He dives away to his right this time to tip over a fabulous Carlos Vela left-foot curler that once again is heading for the top corner. Wow.

2009: GOAL Swansea 0-1 Watford
Lee Williamson has put Watford 1-0 up at Swansea again, just as he did on Sunday, with a good finish past goalkeeper Dimitrios Konstantopoulos.

2007: Aaron Ramsey is quite good, to be fair to him. He whips in a gorgeous 30-yard free-kick with his right foot and Chris Kirkland plucks it out of the air with his left hand just as it looks like it is heading in.

2006: GOAL Stoke 1-0 Rotherham
The Premier League side take the lead in simple fashion, with Glenn Whelan curling home a free-kick with his cultured left foot into the top corner from 25 yards.

2005: Hungarian Tamas Priskin squanders the first good chance at the Liberty Stadium as he heads Jon Harley's corner wide

2004: Manchester United and QPR are under way now.

2003: GOAL Derby 2-0 Leeds
The Duke is back in the goals and it's after a fine Derby passing move involving Kris Commons, ending with Nathan Ellington slotting into the Leeds net.

2002: Arsenal slice through Wigan once more and Kieran Gibbs races on to a pass down the inside left channel only to see his goalbound shot parried away by Chris Kirkland.

2002: "Watford have learned to close down Swansea star man Ferrie Bodde after his 35-yard scorcher against them on Sunday."
BBC Radio Wales pundit Iwan Roberts, via text on 81111

2000: Carlos Vela runs through on goal and tries to go around Chris Kirkland, but the keeper sticks out an arm to deny the Mexican. Seconds later, Jay Simpson turns nicely and rattles a shot against the crossbar.

2000: "See 1943... Electric atmosphere?! Maybe for QPR's fans here for their cup final. Half empty, half a team, half interested."
Matt, United fan, Old Trafford, via text on 81111

1958: Wigan have started well to be fair, they've got pace in the team and they have hit Arsenal on the break a few times already. Can this young Gunners side defend as well as they attack?

1955: "Can't believe your Arsenal predo, Stevo. The Young Guns will be too much for the old boys of Wigan."
Skippio, via text on 81111

1952: GOAL Derby 1-0 Leeds
This Argentine likes the Carling Cup, doesn't he? After bagging a hat-trick in the last round against Brighton last week, Emanuel Villa is at it again, with a curling left-foot shot.

1952: "Some of these players for Arsenal ain't even on the program squad list! 3-1 Arsenal though!"
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1949: Jack Wilshere belies his 16 years with a shockingly mis-timed, reckless challenge on Antonio Valencia. He's lucky to escape with a warning.

1948: Arsenal get under way against Wigan, and the Swansea, Derby and Stoke games have started too.

1947: I'm told by a colleague that the average age of the Arsenal outfielders tonight is 18.7. Wigan's is 25.9. "That's over seven years more per man," he adds. Unbelievable.

1945: "You think QPR are going to score? I'm disgusted in you Stevo."
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You sound like my mum. Though before anyone gets any ideas about texting in, no, she doesn't call me Stevo. That would be ridiculous.

1943: "I smell an upset tonight. The atmosphere is electric and QPR will be up for this."
Jonny live from Old Trafford, via text on 81111

1942: "I want to see how they deal with it and I'm confident they will deal with it well. It's part of the evolution and education and I believe to come through against Wigan is a vital step that they are ready."
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger

1940: Here are Stevo's Predos, for anyone who still cares...
Arsenal 1-2 Wigan
Derby 2-1 Leeds
Man Utd 3-1 QPR
Stoke 0-1 Rotherham
Swansea 2-0 Watford

1939: So, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson refuses to buck the trend of his fellow top-flight managers and floods a merry band of youngsters into his line up for the visit of QPR, with Gary Neville, Anderson and Ji-Sung Park the only players to keep their place from Saturday's defeat by Arsenal. Rafael da Silva, Darron Gibson and Rodrigo Possebon are among those to get the nod by Ferguson, with another batch of young 'uns - Danny Welbeck, Manucho, Tom Cleverley and David Gray - on the bench.

1937: "Stevo, just at Old Trafford, where I have seen a character looking suspiciously like Owen Hargreaves getting into the Fred the Red suit! Looks like Fergie has found him a temporary job while he is out of action."
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1934: MANCHESTER UNITED v QPR LINE-UPS
Man Utd: Kuszczak, Rafael Da Silva, Neville, Evans, O'Shea, Gibson, Possebon, Anderson, Nani, Tevez, Park. Subs: Foster, Vidic, Carrick, Welbeck, Manucho, Cleverley, Gray.
QPR: Cerny, Ramage, Hall, Stewart, Connolly, Buzsaky, Rowlands, Mahon, Cook, Parejo, Blackstock. Subs: Cole, Delaney, Agyemang, Gorkss, Ledesma, Di Carmine, Ephraim.
Referee: Phil Dowd (Staffordshire).

1931: "Arsenal to suffer a 2-1 loss tonight. Arsene Wenger has given zero respect to Wigan with the team he has put out and will surely pay for this. Zaki to score the winner."
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1928:Stoke boss Tony Pulis gets all Arsene Wengeresque and makes nine changes from the side that drew 0-0 with Wigan on Saturday for the visit of Rotherham, with only Ryan Shawcross and Seyi Olofinjana retaining their places. Rotherham, who have seen off Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves and Southampton, have Mickey Cummins in their starting XI. The former Port Vale man has never been on the losing side at the Britannia Stadium.

1927: Don't forget, chat fans, that 606 with Danny Baker is on BBC Radio 5 Live tonight at 2200 GMT. You can watch it live on the internet or by pressing red on your digital TV remote control. Any comments on Danny's 606 thread could make it into the programme - if they're good - so get commenting.
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1925: STOKE v ROTHERHAM LINE-UPS
Stoke: Simonsen, Wilkinson, Cort, Shawcross, Dickinson, Pugh, Whelan, Olofinjana, Cresswell, Kitson, Pericard. Subs: Sorensen, Fuller, Amdy Faye, Delap, Phillips, Sonko, Wedderburn.
Rotherham: Warrington, Mills, Sharps, Fenton, Nicholas, Rhodes, Danny Harrison, Cummins, Tonge, Broughton, Reid. Subs: Annerson, Hudson, Joseph, Yates, Green, Taylor, Garcia.
Referee: Mark Halsey (Lancashire).

1924: SWANSEA v WATFORD LINE-UPS
Swansea: Konstantopoulos, Tate, Monk, O'Halloran, Serran, MacDonald, Bodde, Tudur-Jones, Brandy, Bauza, Pintado. Subs: Krysiak, O'Leary, Pratley, Scotland, Gower, Gomez, Collins.
Watford: Lee, Doyley, DeMerit, Bromby, Harley, McAnuff, Williamson, Mariappa, Smith, Jenkins, Priskin. Subs: Tyler, Sadler, Eustace, Rasiak, Robinson, Hoskins, O'Toole.
Referee: Andy D'Urso (Essex).

1922: "Don't forget about Swansea. They could make history tonight by reaching the last eight for the first time."
Steve, via text on 81111

As if anyone would, Steve.

1920: No Man Utd team news as of yet, but I can tell you that Owen Hargreaves won't be in the side, and he's not going to be playing again until next season, because of his serious knee injury. Shocker for the England midfielder.
Injured Hargreaves out for season

1919:Wigan, meanwhile, are without Emile Heskey because of a hamstring injury, with Daniel De Ridder given the nod to start ahead of Henri Camera.

1918: DERBY v LEEDS LINE-UPS
Derby: Carroll, Connolly, Davis, Nyatanga, Stewart, Teale, Green, Kazmierczak, Commons, Ellington, Villa. Subs: Bywater, McEveley, Hulse, Sterjovski, Zadkovich, Hanson, Pereplotkins.
Leeds: Ankergren, Richardson, Telfer, Michalik, Parker, Snodgrass, Kilkenny, Douglas, Robinson, Delph, Becchio. Subs: Lucas, Prutton, Beckford, Howson, Showunmi, Hughes, White.
Referee: Graham Laws (Tyne & Wear).

1917: So Arsenal make 11 changes from the weekend's win over Manchester United as manager Arsene Wenger sticks with the bulk of the team that beat Sheffield United in the previous round, with 19-year-old Jay Simpson handed his first start for the club.

1916: He may be arrogant/confident (delete as appropriate), but Greggooner, below, has delighted me by sending the first text from a stadium tonight. If you're there - drop us a line. It really really makes our day. Honest. 81111.

1915: "Arsenal will play like they did against Sheffield United and will win 4-1. You heard it here first."
Greggooner at the Emirates, via text on 81111

1913: ARSENAL v WIGAN LINE-UPS
Arsenal: Fabianski, Hoyte, Song Billong, Djourou, Gibbs, Wilshere, Randall, Ramsey, Merida, Simpson, Vela. Subs: Mannone, Bischoff, Coquelin, Fonte, Lansbury, Ogogo, Frimpong.
Wigan: Kirkland, Cattermole, Boyce, Bramble, Melchiot, Valencia, Koumas, Palacios, De Ridder, Figueroa, Zaki. Subs: Kingson, Taylor, Scharner, Kilbane, Brown, Cywka, Camara.
Referee: Steve Tanner (Somerset).

1911: "I'm hoping for Sam Hewson to part some part tonight. The guy has huge potential, and could be a top midfielder in the future. Also looking forward to Manucho and Danny Welbeck."
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1907: Still, with the Gunners' laughably-talented youngsters on show, there will probably be a fair bit to comment on from Arsenal. I'm thinking Jack Wilshere, Aaron Ramsey, Carlos Vela et all. Such is Arsene Wenger's squad, it would only take a couple of injuries for those boys to be playing regular Premier League football.

1904: I do, however, first need to explain how tonight works to you, our faithful readers, in that we will largely be relying on television pictures and BBC Radio 5 Live to relay the story of the night. So if this page resembles something of an Arsenal v Wigan love-in, there's your reason. We will, of course, keep you updated on goals and major action from elsewhere. But there won't be quite as much chat as from the Emirates. OK? Cool.

1900: You can smell something in the air on nights like these. It's the kind of evening that was invented for upsets. Wigan, Leeds, QPR and Rotherham - are you in the mood? Because I certainly am. Now without further ado, get those texts in to 81111 and join the debate on 606. Keep it clean, lively and funny and we'll all have a good night.
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