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By Chris Bevan
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2334: And this is where we have to wrap things up. It's been a night to remember in the Champions League, but for all the wrong reasons if you are anything to do with Manchester City. This is just the latest chapter in the Carlos Tevez saga so make sure you stay across the BBC Sport website on Wednesday for all the latest developments once the dust settles on his refusal to come off the bench against Bayern tonight. I've been Chris Bevan, thanks for keeping me company and I'll see you very soon.

Full time
FULL-TIME Man Utd 3-3 Basel
Phil McNulty reports from Old Trafford: "If only we could hear what Sir Alex Ferguson said in the Manchester United dressing room. His side were lucky to get a draw. Rio Ferdinand appeared to grow older as the game went on and a real lesson in Champions League football for his young partner Phil Jones."

Full time
FULL-TIME Bayern Munich 2-0 Man City
Alistair Magowan reports: "In other news, there was a football match in Munich tonight, and City were outclassed at times by an impressive Bayern."

2328: It all seems a long time ago now, but Manchester United and Manchester City both played games of football tonight. Here's what happened...

2325: There's more. This almost seems reasonable after what else has happened tonight. Kettering strikers Moses Ashikodi and Jean-Paul Marna were sent-off for fighting each other tonight as Hayes & Yeading won an eight-goal thriller in the Blue Square Bet Premier. Ashikodi insisted in taking on a penalty but it was saved. Marna scored from the resulting corner, and back in the centre-circle they started punching each other. Brilliant.

chrisscribbles on Twitter: "How can anyone defend Tevez. He signed the contract. He chose to stay in Manchester. He's a big boy now. He needs to grow up."

themon81 on Twitter: "Tevez gave it all last season.He wants to be with his kids and now the fans forget all his part in getting them where they are."

It's raining
2318: Tuesday, 27 September might just be remembered as the night football finally went bonkers. As well as the Man City Carlos Tevez debacle, under pressure Nottingham Forest boss Steve McClaren went into meltdown with his side 4-0 down at half-time against Burnley. He sat in the dug-out on his own at the interval and ordered his players to stay out on the pitch until the start of the second half. McClaren said afterwards: "At the end of the day, players cross the white line and they have to be responsible for performance, so yeah we sent them out early at half time." Forest lost 5-1 in the end. On his future, McClaren added: "it's for other people to decide about my job." That deserves a brolly graphic, surely?

2312: There were some other Champions League games played tonight, you know? Real Madrid looked very impressive as they beat Ajax 3-0 with signs of Kaka returning to his very best. Kaka scored one and was involved in the other two as Cristiano Ronaldo and Karim Benzema scored fine goals. There was another decent result for Trabzonspor who built on their win at Inter on matchday one with a draw with Lille, while there were also wins for Benfica, in United's group, and Napoli, in City's.

revtravers on Twitter: "Think the Tevez situation will prevent Utd getting too much of a hammering in tomorrow's papers."

From anon, via text: "Obviously I can't condone what Tevez did tonight but I personally felt that City had mistreated him, should have let him leave in the summer and Mancini's relationship with him is awful. Tevez should have been more professional but the club also don't deserve his services."

From Ed in Warrington, via text: "Tevez wanted to leave, City played hardball over what is small change to them. Now Tevez refuses to play... fair game, I say."

Jonathan_Crooks on Twitter: "If Carlos Tevez chooses not to play for Man City that's fine but what about the Fans that pay week in week out? Consider them!"

2304: I disagree with BennyPeek a little bit here. Yes, you often sense Carlos Tevez is playing for himself rather than his club but I have not seen many players who give more effort and energy when they are on the pitch. Off it, he has been problematic to say the least because of his family issues if nothing else... but this is the first time he has caused any trouble near a game. His usual attitude when he plays is part of the reason what he has done this evening is so staggering.

BennyPeek on Twitter: "Can't think of a more disrespectful man to ever play football than Tevez. He has always been a child. Waste of talent."

2259: If you haven't already heard Roberto Mancini talking to BBC Radio 5 live about Carlos Tevez's behaviour tonight, then you can do so here. If you can't click on that link, then I'll repeat a bit of it, namely: "If one player earns a lot of money, play for Manchester City in the Champions League and has this behaviour, for me he can't play. Never."

AdamStadius on Twitter: "If Tevez refuses to play then City should refuse to pay him his huge wages. He's obviously not willing to earn them."

TaswellHill on Twitter: "Carlos Tevez needs to be treated like any other 3-year-old."

2253: Former Manchester City boss Mark Hughes, the man who signed Carlos Tevez for the club in 2009: "There is obviously no relationship whatsoever, or you would imagine given the events of this evening, with the manager. That needs to be mended and if it can't then something else has to happen."

2251: Manchester City's first-team coach David Platt on the Carlos Tevez situation: "It is difficult for everyone right now. I haven't been to Roberto Mancini's press conference or know what he has said. What I am suggesting is we internally calm down with the situation"

sgt_houphanne on Twitter: "Tevez should simply be forced to train and play with the reserves for the rest of the season."

thegn0me on Twitter: "Man City should have sold Tevez to get him out of the team. Even if you only get 20m, then he is away."

2248: Carlos Tevez speaking on Sky Sports News, and giving very little away about his motives tonight or his future: "It is his [Mancini's] decision. I've been professional in the last year. This last year I was the best scorer and I put my opinion through that I wanted to leave for family reasons but I keep trying to do my best."

2246: I've just heard Carlos Tevez speak via an interpreter in a very short interview, that doesn't really give any explanation about why he refused to come on tonight. Full transcription to follow, but he speaks more about his situation in the summer when he wanted to leave the club, than what happened against Bayern. Hopefully he had his say elsewhere.

DarrenTBE on Twitter: "Can't see Tevez playing another game for Man City after tonight. What a joke. Deserves to be left in footballing wilderness!"

BBC Radio 5 live
2242: City boss Roberto Mancini on BBC Radio 5 live: "I decide the changes. That moment I decided to change Edin Dzeko with Nigel de Jong because I wanted to keep clam in the squad and not concede a third goal because we were 40 minutes to the end. And after five minutes Carlos was ready to go on. After that he refused to do warm up again and refused to go on the pitch. If one player earns a lot of money, play for Manchester City in the Champions League and has this behaviour, for me he can't play. Never."


gallafield on Twitter: "City should terminate Tevez's contract, but hold his registration until his contract has ended."

2240: So, do Man City kick Carlos Tevez out now, or dump in in the reserves to rot until January, or beyond. Surely there is no way he can play for them again after this? Let me know. Tweet the commentary via the hashtag #BBCFootball, Tweet me @chrisbevan_bbc or text in via 81111 (UK).

2238: It looks like we might hear from Carlos Tevez tonight too. He is in the media mixed zone at Bayern's Allianz Arena and talking to journalists.

Former Liverpool boss Graeme Souness talking about Carlos Tevez on Sky Sports: "He is one bad apple. He can undo all the good work that has been done (at City). He's a disgrace to football. He epitomises what most people think is wrong with modern football. It is totally unacceptable. He's a football player and he is paid to play. He is refusing to help his team-mates. It's all about him, him, him."

2232: Let's try to take stock of what we have seen from Carlos Tevez tonight. A few of you have mentioned Dimitar Berbatov being reluctant to come on a sub for Tottenham once, but have any other players point-blank refused to come on before?

dmaceymacleod on Twitter: "Has Tevez been clever and manipulated City into possibly terminating his contract, which is what he wanted in the summer?"

thomaswbanks on Twitter: "Mancini is spot on with his attitude to Tevez, don't agree he's lost the dressing room, just got one full of individuals!"

BBC Radio 5 live
Former City defender Danny Mills at the Allianz Arena, speaking about the Tevez incident on Radio 5 live: "He's [Mancini] had his fill. He's had enough. You cannot keep disrespecting the manager. Whether you like him or not, it doesn't make any difference. You're playing for yourself, your club, your team. There's quite a few managers I didn't get on with but you put your shift in, you play for pride because you're a professional. You simply cannot refuse to play in a football match. It's selfish, it's cowardly and bang out of order."

DavidM33 on Twitter: "Despite the problems facing him not really being his fault, you get the feeling that Mancini lost control of the team tonight."

2224: Ex-City defender Jerome Boateng, who incidentally had a phenomenal game for Bayern tonight, claimed before the game that there was no togetherness in his old club's camp. I guess he was right, then?

2221: To sum up a forgettable night for Manchester City and their manager Roberto Mancini, Edin Dzeko storms off after being substituted. Then Carlos Tevez refuses to come on afterwards. Not sure whether it was because Nigel de Jong was brought on for Dzeko, with City 2-0 down? Only Carlos can tell us that.

OptaJoe on Twitter: "21 - Shots Bayern Munich-Man City - First 25 mins: 3-6, Last 65 mins 21-3. Collapse."

2218: Just to clear something up, Carlos Tevez did not refuse to come off the bench tonight because he wanted to avoid being cup-tied in the Champions League. Tevez came on with 10 minutes to go during City's draw with Napoli a fortnight ago.

2216: Even more from Mancini on Tevez: "If I have my way he will be out of the club."

Daniel_Waite on Twitter: "Mancini hasn't got the dressing room, so much aggro with a number of players."

2214: I can't help thinking that losing 2-0 to Bayern Munich is the least of Manchester City's problems right now.

2212: More from Mancini on Tevez: "Can you imagine a Bayern Munich, Milan or Man Utd player doing this?" And on Edin Dzeko, who reacted angrily after being brought off: "He had a poor game. In terms of being unhappy, it should be me, not him. This is the last time with me a player will do this."

2210: Doesn't look like we will be seeing Carlos Tevez in a Manchester City shirt again then...

2209: Roberto Mancini on Carlos Tevez after the Argentine refused to come off the bench tonight: "He's finished with me, with me he's finished."

2208: Around about now, Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini will be facing the written media and being asked about Carlos Tevez's astounding behaviour tonight. If Mancini is still as shell-shocked as he was when he was in front of the TV cameras after the final whistle, then whatever he says is going to make very interesting reading.

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson on seeing his side squander a 2-0 lead and need a last-minute equaliser to draw with Basel: "We were careless and there was a lack of concentration throughout the side at times. We let them create a lot of chances but we rescued it. I told them to finish it off at half time and it is a wake up call for us. If you are lax then with the quality in the Champions League you will suffer."

Football League update: Where do we start? Lots of late goals to tell you about. Lee Bowyer scores for Ipswich against his former club West Ham - the solitary goal in that game. Palace pressure pays off in the second half as they win 3-1 at Brighton with Glenn Murray (also against his old club) netting the clincher. Reading also roar back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 at Bristol City. Another topsy-turvy affair saw Coventry come back from 1-0 to lead 2-1 at the Ricoh Arena against Blackpool before the visitors equalised through Keith Southern. Meanwhile, Watford recovered to beat Millwall 2-1 and Peterborough beat Portsmouth 3-2 thanks to Erik Huseklepp's last-minute own goal.

From Gareth in Basildon, via text: "Unfortunately build a team on prima-donna wages get prima-donna behaviour. Maybe you can buy success but can you buy commitment and team spirit?"

TheDeko94 on Twitter: "Tevez is only harming his reputation. Who's going to want him when he acts like such a baby?"

footieguide on Twitter: "Carlos Tevez refusing to play is a disgrace to the fans, players & staff. He should never play for #MCFC again."

2157: Man City boss Roberto Mancini explained that he brought on defensive midfielder Nigel de Jong for striker Edin Dzeko after 55 minutes with his side trailing 2-0 because "I wanted to calm everything down." He added "Afterwards I wanted to put Carlos Tevez on the pitch, he refused to go on the pitch. For me it is a bad situation."

2154: I've heard of players refusing to play for a team before, but never refusing to come off the bench. If Carlos Tevez wasn't going to play tonight, why didn't he tell his manager and his team-mates when he was told the starting line-up? Disgraceful.

2153: Incredible. Man City boss Roberto Mancini confims Carlos Tevez refused to come off the bench against Bayern Munich. Mancini looked and sounded as stunned as you and I when he explained what happened. "I can't accept this one player refusing to go on," Mancini said.

Man Utd striker Danny Welbeck on his side's dramatic draw with Basel: "It feels like a defeat as we started the game so well. Manchester United should be finishing games like this. I'm over the moon to get two goals but it's a team game and I'm bitterly disappointed. We are very disappointed with the result but we have got to get on with it. "

Man City defender Kolo Toure on his side's defeat by Bayern Munich: "We started very well but then we did not defend as a team and in the Champions League you have to defend from the start to the end. City have some great players and the only thing is we need to get the balance right between attacking and defending together."

boulders8 on Twitter: "Shocking defending by Utd, lucky to escape in the end. Can't believe the amount of chances Basle missed"

MarkBGregory on Twitter: "I wouldn't call it a "lucky escape" for United - they squandered a 2-0 lead against a weak side. Not good enough defensively."

AndrewGMoney on Twitter: "Carlos Tevez - hand him the highest possible fine and put him on the bench for 10 games, City dont need him anyway!"

Lewis_CTID on Twitter: "Carlos Tevez is a disgrace. He's what he was at United, a bit-part player, and he HATES it. He doesn't deserve our City shirt."

Scottish Premier League update: Rangers move seven points clear at the top of the Scottish Premier League after a dominant second-half display against Kilmarnock. Nikica Jelavic and Gregg Wylde grabbed the goals in a two-minute burst, either side of the visitors hitting the crossbar. FULL-TIME Rangers 2-0 Kilmarnock

rangasir on Twitter: "The only positive that Utd can take is, despite such an atrocious defensive performance, that at least they've taken a point."



dcostadylan on Twitter: "Welcome to the Champions League, Man City! Oh and goodbye, Tevez!"

2140: What do you make of Carlos Tevez going on strike, and what do you think about United's lucky escape? Tweet the commentary via the hashtag #BBCFootball, Tweet me @chrisbevan_bbc or text in via 81111 (UK).

Handbags
2137: An incredible game at Old Trafford but that's nothing on the scenes at the Allianz Arena where Carlos Tevez refused to warm up when he was asked to come on in the second half. Tevez's team-mate Edin Dzeko, who I think he was meant to replace, showed his disgust when he took his place on the bench, and I suspect that is just the start of this particular story.

Full time
2134: FULL-TIME Man Utd 3-3 Basel

2134: FULL-TIME Bayern Munich 2-0 Man City

2133: Almost a remarkable end to a remarkable game at Old Trafford. Jacques Zoua hoists a shot goalwards from inside his own half, and the dropping ball deceives United keeper David de Gea... but bounces wide. Four minutes of stoppage time to be played, and we have had most of it.

2132: More goals at Old Trafford tonight? I wouldn't bet against it. In a carbon copy of Ashley Young's equaliser, Nani flashes over a cross but this time Danny Welbeck is inches off target with his header.

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Man Utd goal: In the 90th minute, Ashley Young gives his side a lifeline. Nani sends over a delightful cross from the right and Young marks his first Champions League game with his first Champions League goal, stooping to head home at the far post.

2130: GOALFLASH Man Utd 3-3 Basel (Ashley Young)

2129: United are pouring forward now, but still no joy. Phil Jones clips the ball into the Basel box for Dimitar Berbatov who gets his head on the ball despite getting a slight shove in the back from a Swiss defender. Yann Sommer makes a comfortable save.

2127: Things are not improving for City, who will do well to leave Munich with just a 2-0 defeat. At Old Trafford, United want a penalty when Ashley Young goes down under a challenge in the box. Young doesn't make a meal of it, though, and the referee waves play on.

LukeHolden69 on Twitter: "David Silva has been the invisible man this second half. Completely marked out the game"

ashulpatel on Twitter: "Chelsea exposed United. just didn't have clinical finishing. United don't look good at the back"

Football League latest: More misery for Forest as looping header from Charlie Austin makes it 5-1. Mellor scores another to put Preston 4-3 up in the see-saw game at Wycombe and Watford fall 1-0 behind to Millwall as a counter-attack ends in Liam Feeney scoring.

Tramp211090 on Twitter: "Ferdinand and Carrick have looked behind the pace all game. Jones and Anderson have received little support or guidance!"

From Craig at Old Trafford, via text: "This is not surprising! We have looked weak in defence this season despite winning games! Could have easily conceded 4/5 vs Arsenal at home and easily 7/8 vs Chelsea at home. I'm worried."

2125: GOALFLASH Trabzonspor 1-1 Lille (Gustavo Colman pen)

2122: No chance of Dimitar Berbatov going on strike - he's just glad to get a game these days. The Bulgarian striker is on for United as they chase their game, replacing Anderson. He has got eight minutes left to make a difference. Elsewhere in Group C, Benfica are beating Otelul Galati 1-0.

2120: A brilliant save by Joe Hart keeps City's faint hopes alive. He somehow gets a fingertip to Mario Gomez's header from Toni Kroos' free-kick, and Thomas Muller, following up at the back post, is unable to turn it in.

ashulpatel on Twitter: "Chelsea exposed United. just didn't have clinical finishing. United don't look good at the back"

Chief football writer Phil McNulty at Old Trafford: "Old Trafford is shell-shocked. Only yesterday Sir Alex Ferguson was suggesting he has put the infamous hairdryer away - anyone think he might just be dusting it down right now?"

2118: Meanwhile, City have made another change, with Aleksandar Kolarov on for Gareth Barry. Strange? Yes, and there's possibly a reason for it. We're hearing reports that Carlos Tevez refused to come on when he was asked by Roberto Mancini. Watch this space on that one.

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Basel goal: Amazing. Amazingly bad defending, that is. Phil Jones dwells too long on the ball, and loses it on the edge of his own box. Marco Streller is clumsily felled by Antonio Valencia as he shapes to shoot and that's a stonewall penalty. Alexander Frei steps up to fire high into the net and give the Swiss side the lead.

2116: GOALFLASH Man Utd 2-3 Basel (Alexander Frei)

2115: PENALTY to BASEL

2113: Bayern press again, with Bastian Schweinsteiger's dipping shot pushed away by Joe Hart. Luckily for him, Mario Gomez is not on hand this time.

InfostradaLive on Twitter: "Manchester United have failed to win any of their first two Group matches in the CL once before - in 1998/1999, when they eventually won the tournament."

Football League latest: Ishmael Miller finally gives Forest something to cheer, with a low shot, but they're 4-1 down at Burnley. Preston's Hume makes it 3-3 in the thriller at Wycombe. Portsmouth are deservedly level with Benjani making it 2-2 against Peterborough, while Dean Saunders' Doncaster are 1-1 against Hull as Simon Gillett volleys home. Derby are rewarded for pressurising Barnsley, equalising through a Steve Davies' penalty, and Brett Pitman taps in Bristol City's second against Reading.

iamthatjack on Twitter: "Dominant domestically, exploding in Europe...both Manchester teams in trouble now."

2111: Yep, Samir Nasri is coming off, with James Milner coming on. "Nasri was like a boy among men," says Danny Mills.

BBC Radio 5 live
Former City defender Danny Mills at the Allianz Arena, on Radio 5 live: "I know you try harder against your old club but Jerome Boateng has been outstanding tonight. He's the reason why Manuel Neuer hasn't had a meaningful save to make."

Scottish Premier League update: Rangers make the breakthrough at Ibrox, with Nikica Jelavic tucking away a neat side-foot finish from a well-worked Steven Davis free kick. Kilmarnock respond with a header against the crossbar from a corner, the hosts break upfield and Maurice Edu sets Gregg Wylde up for a tap-in. 2-0 to the SPL leaders.

2109: A change for United, with Nani replacing Fabio. It looks like James Milner is coming on for City too.

GavJB on Twitter: "I just can't get my head around this Man Utd performance, looking so dangerous but yet so fragile. Very unusual for them."

2107: Just over 20 minutes left in Manchester, nearer 25 to go in Munich. City have just launched a rare attack, with Yaya Toure feeding Sergio Aguero, who is denied by Jerome Boateng as he shapes to shoot.

From Jim in London, via text: "This is Mancini's fault. Playing two strikers away in Munich is tactically naive."

2105: Anxious times for United, then. Basel look very confident at the moment, understandably.

2104: Bayern are still well on top and are looking far more likely to score. Their latest chance sees Mario Gomez meet Philipp Lahm's cross, but he cannot direct his shot on target.

Chief football writer Phil McNulty at Old Trafford: "Manchester United escaped with poor defending in the first half but no escape after the break and Basel really on a roll now. Sir Alex Ferguson's side all over the place at the back."

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Basel goal: Who saw this coming? Not me. Basel feel they have been denied a goalscoring chance when Rio Ferdinand, who is the last man, slips and fells Alexander Frei on the edge of the area but play is waved on. Anyway, just over 30 seconds later, Fabian Frei sends over the cross of his life from the right for Alexander Frei to power his header past David de Gea.



2100: GOALFLASH Man Utd 2-2 Basel (Alexander Frei)



Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Basel goal: Game on? David de Gea makes another excellent save to deny Marco Streller from a corner but the ball flies into the path of Fabian Frei to bury a delicious half-volley.

2058: GOALFLASH Man Utd 2-1 Basel (Fabian Frei)

2057: City obviously need goals to get back into this game, so you might be puzzled to learn that Nigel de Jong is coming on for Edin Dzeko. I think that change might be to stop them conceding any more, though. Bayern look extremely strong.

2056: GOALFLASH Real Madrid 3-0 Ajax (Karim Benzema)

2055: I'm pretty sure Joe Hart will explode if Mario Gomez completes his hat-trick by following up a shot that the City keeper has pushed away. Gomez looks ultra-sharp in the Bayern attack, City's defenders a lot less so.

2054: No sign of a City fightback in Munich. Not yet, anyway. The home side are cranking up the pressure.

2052: United could have scored 10 already tonight, but Basel should have at least four themselves. They've just wasted another chance, when David de Gea stuck out a leg to make a superb block and deny Marco Streller, who was all alone about eight yards out. This is more like basketball than football - neither side is too bothered about defending.

InfostradaLive on Twitter: "Since the start of last season, Mario Gomez has scored 8 hat-tricks (7 in the Bundesliga and one in the Champions League)."

Manchester City coach David Platt, speaking at half-time: "We have to get ourselves back into it but from a base. In the first half we gave Bayern the opportunities to get down our flanks."

From Andy from Stockport, via text: "Kolo Toure has looked slow and short of games which isn't surprising cause he's both. Poor decision from Mancini which is rare but it will cost City tonight."

2048: United start where they left off, by putting the ball in the net. Ashley Young gets on the end of an Antonio Valencia cross, but he is a good two yards offside when he slots past Yann Sommer. The linesman's flag cuts short any celebrations.

2047: And in Munich too. Work to do for City in these next 45 minutes or so, and lots of it.

Whistle
2045: We are back under way at Old Trafford...

Dan_beecham on Twitter: "Bayern are teaching Man City a footballing lesson today. they look so comfortable and punish every mistake, no way back now!"

MikeAaronhall on Twitter: "Manchester City are playing like the Champions League newbies they are!"

DavidM33 on Twitter: "Not surprised City are struggling, as I said they would. Playing in several comps will affect them in league soon as well."

From Giles, via text: "I think that is the angriest i have ever seen Joe Hart, if not the angriest I've ever seen any goalkeeper. And with reason too! Very unlucky."

Football League latest: As we are hearing, Steve McClaren is going to be under major pressure after Ross Wallace fires Burnley into a 4-0 half-time lead against his Forest team. Meanwhile, Derby are looking increasingly frustrated and trail 1-0 against Barnsley. Jacob Butterfield forced in the Tykes' opener.

Chief football writer Phil McNulty at Old Trafford: "Manchester United well in command despite being unconvincing at the back. Danny Welbeck has provided the cutting edge and showed exactly why he was Sir Alex Ferguson's preferred selection tonight."

Scottish Premier League update: Leaders Rangers woke from their slumber in the last 10 minutes but could not find a way past a resolute Killie defence. The visitors have been lively, with Dean Shiels at the heart of most of their good work. HALF-TIME Rangers 0-0 Kilmarnock



2040: So, Man City are getting turned over, but can they still turn this one around? Tweet the commentary via the hashtag #BBCFootball, Tweet me @chrisbevan_bbc or text in via 81111 (UK).

BarrieWhite1980 on Twitter: ""Sacked in the morning" sing the Burnley fans to a disconsolate Forest boss Steve McClaren. I would be surprised if he makes it that long."

City fan roken86 on Twitter: "If we dont get at least a draw at Bayern, I believe our Champions League debut will be over!"

Muzza_AFC on Twitter: "Manchester City receiving a reality check in Munich tonight."

Half time
HALF-TIME Man Utd 2-0 Basel
Chief football writer Phil McNulty's HT snapshot from Old Trafford:
"Two goals for United but it could have been more because Basel are very sloppy at the back. How Michael Owen and Dimitar Berbatov must wish they could get at this defence."

Half time
HALF-TIME Bayern Munich 2-0 Man City
Alistair Magowan's HT snapshot:
"City appeared comfortable but Mario Gomez has given them a rude awakening to the Champions League. Both goals came from follow-ups to Joe Hart saves.

Whistle
2032: It is half-time in Munich and Manchester. Two goals in both games but while United are cruising, City are in deep, deep trouble.

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Bayern goal: Joe Hart is furious with his defence, and he has every right to be. Toni Kroos bends in a free-kick from the left which Daniel van Buyten flicks goalwards. It is creeping in at the near post until Joe Hart pushes it away but Mario Gomez reacts before anyone wearing a blue shirt to sweep in the loose ball. Hart gets something on his shot, but he cannot keep it out.

2030: GOALFLASH Bayern Munich 2-0 Man City (Mario Gomez)

David_W_Moir on Twitter: "Anderson looks like a new player this season. Unbelievable change from a player who never really looked Unitedesque."

2029: GOALFLASH Lyon 2-0 Dinamo Zagreb (Bakary Kone)

2029: GOALFLASH Real Madrid 2-0 Ajax (Kaka)

2028: GOALFLASH SC Otelul Galati 0-1 Benfica (Zanaki Bruno Cesar)

2026: United are a little shaky defensively but have I mentioned they look very dangerous whenever they come forward? This time the ball comes across goal for Antonio Valencia, but his shot is blocked by the goalkeeper's outstretched leg.

BBC Radio 5 live's Conor McNamara on Twitter: "MCFC haven't been behind in a Premier League game this season, but have gone behind first in both Champs League games so far."

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Bayern goal: It's been coming. Joe Hart makes a brilliant double save to deny Frank Ribery and then Thomas Muller, but the ball falls for Mario Gomez to put the German side in front.

2023: GOALFLASH Bayern Munich 1-0 Man City (Mario Gomez)

2021: Bayern are getting closer, though. A lot closer. Thomas Muller crosses for Bastian Schweinsteiger, who is just six yards out, but lifts his shot over the bar. A terrible miss.

Football League latest: In tonight's big game in League One, Charlton go a goal down as MK Dons lead through Shaun Williams's penalty. Stuart Beavon stuns Preston further by putting Wycombe 3-2 up. Albert Adomah chips Bristol City ahead against Reading and Peterborough edge 2-1 up at Portsmouth thanks to Frecklington's second. Martyn Waghorn taps Hull into a 1-0 lead at Doncaster and shambolic Forest go 3-0 down at Burnley where Chris McCann stabs in.

2020: Bayern are definitely on top at the moment. Another break ends when Thomas Muller's shot is blocked by Gael Clichy. From the resulting corner Franck Ribery blazes his shot high over the bar.

2018: Joe Hart is called into action again, this time denying Bastian Schweinsteiger after the German international lets fly from 25 yards out. At Old Trafford, Danny Welbeck tries his luck with another first-time shot after another neat move. This time Yann Sommer is down to save. The hat-trick will have to wait...

2017: GOALFLASH Trabzonspor 0-1 Lille (Moussa Sow)

2016: Bayern launch a swift counter-attack, which ends with a low shot from 20 yards out from Franck Ribery, bringing a decent stop out of Joe Hart. Half-an-hour gone in Munich, where it is still goalless.

Football League latest: Brighton's fans are quickly enjoying themselves against Crystal Palace as they lead through Craig Mackail-Smith who knocks the ball in at the near post from Gary Dicker's delivery. Lee Frecklington shot Peterborough into a 1-0 lead at Portsmouth, but a Gabriel Zakuani own goal makes it 1-1. Jay Rodriguez's double gives Burnley a 2-0 lead over fellow strugglers Nottingham Forest. Gary Taylor-Fletcher's beautiful volley puts Blackpool one up at Coventry.



2014: GOALFLASH Lyon 1-0 Dinamo Zagreb (Bafetimbi Gomis)

2014: GOALFLASH Real Madrid 1-0 Ajax (Cristiano Ronaldo)

Scottish Premier League update: An encouraging start for Kilmarnock at Ibrox. The Ayrshire side are playing with five at the back and a sluggish Rangers have struggled to break them down. Full-back Sasa Papac did get in behind the visiting defence but Cammy Bell was out swiftly to make the block.

2012: Basel aren't great defensively but they are a lot, lot better coming forward. Alexander Frei and Marco Streller link up again, with Streller's back-heel finding Frei, who can only manage a tame shot wide from 10 yards out. Moments later, United's defence is opened up again and Frei sets up Jacques Zoua to fire into the side netting.

BlackburnJA on Twitter: "As long as #mufc keep their focus, this really is just going to be a question of how many"

Steverc99 on Twitter: "Wellbeck = Well Good"

2009: Another penalty shout for City in Munich, where Micah Richards drives into the box and is sent tumbling when Jerome Boateng comes across to challenge. The question is whether Boateng gets anything on the ball first, before he makes contact with the man. If he does, it's marginal. Anyway, nothing given.

2008: Basel have not shut up shop since that flurry of Danny Welbeck goals. Far from it. They are still piling forward, and leaving big gaps at the back.

Football League latest: Looks like a cracking game at Wycombe, where there have been four goals in 15 minutes, in their game against Preston. Neil Mellor and Iain Hume fire Preston 2-0 ahead in nine minutes. But Wycombe respond as a Gareth Ainsworth tap-in is followed by Scott Donnelly's penalty to make it 2-2.

BBC Radio 5 live
Former City defender Danny Mills at the Allianz Arena, on Radio 5 live: "The difference between the two sides is that when Bayern lose the ball they are sprinting back to retrieve it, whereas City are getting back in threes and fours and that gives Bayern a chance to attack. For me at the minute, Samir Nasri is a spectator from a defensive point of view."

2005: From Manchester City's first corner Micah Richards climbs high to direct his header on target but it is comfortable for Manuel Neuer. Both sides still playing very positively.

2005: GOALFLASH Napoli 2-0 Villarreal (Edinson Cavani pen 17)

2004: GOALFLASH Napoli 1-0 Villarreal (Marek Hamsik)

Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Man Utd goal: Ryan Giggs and Danny Welbeck combine again, and this time Welbeck strokes home a cool first-time finish into the bottom corner. Basel's defence is stretched all over the shop and Giggs' low cross finds Welbeck at the far post to turn the ball into the net. Game, set and match for United?

2002: GOALFLASH Man Utd 2-0 Basel (Danny Welbeck)



Goooooooaaaaaaaaal
Man Utd goal: Not the cleanest finish ever by Danny Welbeck but the beauty was in the build-up of United's first home Champions League goal of the season. The move ends when Fabio cuts in from the right and crosses for Ryan Giggs, who tees up Welbeck to scuff his shot into the botttom corner.

2001: GOALFLASH Man Utd 1-0 Basel (Danny Welbeck)

1958: Bayern are coming into the game more now too, getting hold of the ball in midfield and attacking down the flanks. City are still breaking forward quickly, mind.

From Aidan in Dundee, via text: "There is some noise from the away fans at Old Trafford. Must have something to do with Federer, all this racquet!"

1955: Another United chance. Ryan Giggs lifts the ball over the top of the Swiss side's defence and Danny Welbeck slides in to reach it just before Basel keeper Yann Sommer, sending it rolling a few yards wide of the target.

1953: They have started slowly, but United should be ahead. Ashley Young swings in an enticing cross from the left but Antonio Valencia, arriving late at the back post, can only direct his header across goal rather than towards it.

BBC Radio 5 live
Former City defender Danny Mills at the Allianz Arena, on Radio 5 live: "City have started quite brightly, I think there was only minimal contact on David Silva when he tried to cut back from the byline there."

1951: This is not a very convincing start by United, to say the least. Basel carve them open again as Marco Streller plays in Fabian Frei, who blazes wildly over as he runs through on goal. A big let-off for the home side.

1950: City are definitely living up to their manager's promise to attack. Micah Richards gets forward well down the right and crosses for Edin Dzeko, but his low shot is straight at Manuel Neuer.

1949: An early penalty shout for City. David Silva is first to the ball on the left of the area and tries to cut inside the sliding Jerome Boateng, who definitely makes contact with man, not ball. Hungarian referee Viktor Kassai is unconvinced, which is the important thing. Nothing given.

1947: United are on the back foot in the first few moments at Old Trafford, and might have been in a spot of bother had Marco Streller composed himself inside the area when Alexander Frei played him in. Instead of shooting, he tries a return pass, and the chance was gone.

Whistle
1945: Here we go. Under way in Munich... and Manchester too.

BaselGooner on Twitter: "Shame UK viewers won't get to see Shaqiri, a young and very talented swiss player, they're not missing much in Huggel."

1943: The players emerge from the tunnel at the Allianz Arena and Old Traffiord and wait for the Champions League anthem to be played. It never disappoints, does it. Anyway, they're ready. Are you?

1940: Right, about five minutes to go until tonight's Champions League games start. So not long to wait for our favourite tune...

1939: You might have missed this, so worth another mention. Manchester City officials laid a wreath at the memorial of the 1958 Munich air crash ahead of tonight's game. The delegation visited Manchesterplatz to pay their respects to the 23 people who died, which included City's former keeper Frank Swift. "It's refreshing," said Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson. "We appreciate that from Manchester City. It's a sign the game's not as bad as sometimes we think."

TomE91 on Twitter: "Glenn Murray to haunt former club Brighton with a double at the Amex tonight. 2-1 Palace, come on you Eagles!"

Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini just ahead of kick-off before his side's match with Bayern Munich: "We love to play football and we want to score if possible. We have a lot of respect for Bayern - they have football history and they have good players. When they attack they attack with a lot of players, and I'm sure it will be hard. If possible I want an attacking game."

johnharrold on Twitter: "Re 1924. Apologies in advantage would have been the ideal pun there!"

1932: We've got live commentary of Bayern Munich v Man City (on 5 live) and Brighton v Crystal Palace (on 5 live sports extra) coming up and, if you manually refresh this page now, you can also watch Midweek Final Score. Fill those boots.

1929: Sir Alex Ferguson has no doubts about the size of the prize Manchester United are competing for this season. "I think the Champions League is the best competition in the world now, better than the World Cup and the European Championship," he said. "It's fantastic."

Scottish Premier League update: Leaders Rangers can move seven points clear of Celtic with a win over Kilmarnock tonight (1945 BST KO). Ally McCoist's side are unbeaten in the league but will be without leading scorer Steven Naismith since he starts a two-match ban. Killie boss Kenny Shiels is still smarting from a 3-0 loss at St Mirren on Saturday but insists he won't alter his attacking philosophy at Ibrox.

1925: By the way, it's Fabio who is in United's backline tonight, not his injured brother Rafael. Sorry about that.

1924: I'm hearing rumours that tennis great Roger Federer is at Old Trafford tonight to see his hometown team in action. Expect a few tennis gags if he is there. Apologies in advance.

From Royser, London, via text: "Chris. I'll have a pint of whatever 'Dave in Malmesbury' is drinking. 4-1 to City, away to Munich? No chance. I'm fully expecting a footballing lesson for City tonight... just like they got in the 2nd half at Craven Cottage 10 days ago!"

Basel coach Thorsten Fink, who came off the bench for Bayern Munich in the 80th minute of their 1999 Champions League final defeat by Manchester United: "It is not a question of getting equal, I am glad to be here as a coach, it is not an everyday experience. I count United as one of the teams to win the competition but we haven't come here to sit and watch, we have come here to play."

1920 FOOTBALL LEAGUE UPDATE: It's an unlikely rivalry, but Brighton and Crystal Palace have history. Tonight Palace will go to the new Amex Stadium, aiming to stall their high-flying opponents' rapid progress. Derby can go top of the Championship if they beat Barnsley at home, while West Ham - a point behind Nigel Clough's side - host Ipswich. At the bottom, new Doncaster boss Dean Saunders is hoping to maintain his good start as they host in-form Hull.

TinnoUnited on Twitter: "First City game this season where they are truly the underdogs?"

ChrisJack28 on Twitter: "Have these Man City fans not learnt from Napoli that the Champions League is no roll over. 3-2 Bayern."

georgefcht on Twitter: "Easy win for Man Utd tonight, possibly 5-0. Man City's Champions League credentials to be tested to the max, they'll win 3-2."

BAYERN MUNICH v MAN CITY TEAM NEWS
Alistair Magowan reports: Manchester City
boss Roberto Mancini picks a big game for Kolo Toure to make his second start of the season, but the Ivorian made his Champions League debut in 2002 for Arsenal. He will have to watch out for Bayern's top scorer Mario Gomez. Centre-back Holger Badstuber misses out because of flu so former City players Jerome Boateng and Daniel van Buyten start as centre-backs, while Arjen Robben is on the bench."

MAN UTD v BASEL TEAM NEWS
Chief football writer Phil McNulty reports from Old Trafford:
Sir Alex Ferguson is without the injured Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez - and yet there is still no place for Michael Owen or Dimitar Berbatov in his starting line-up. Danny Welbeck is the preferred choice in a strong Manchester United team. Alexander Frei starts up front for Basel, but they are without suspended midfielders Xherdan Shaqiri and Benjamin Huggel.

Man Utd v Basel line-ups
Man Utd:
De Gea, Fabio Da Silva, Jones, Ferdinand, Evra, Anderson, Carrick, Giggs, Valencia, Welbeck, Young. Subs: Lindegaard, Owen, Berbatov, Park, Nani, Fletcher, Diouf.
Basel: Sommer, Steinhofer, Abraham, Dragovic, Park, Fabian Frei, Cabral, Zoua, Granit Xhaka, Alexander Frei, Streller. Subs: Colomba, Ajeti, Schurpf, Chipperfield, Taulant Xhaka, Kovac, Pak.
Referee: Paolo Tagliavento (Italy)

Raith Rovers famously led Bayern Munich in the Uefa Cup (copyright Eddie Doig)
Raith Rovers famously led Bayern Munich in the Uefa Cup
1907: "There's no doubt Bayern assumed it would be easy," Goss said after that famous win. Somehow, I don't think they will make the same mistake tonight. That's not the only time a British side has given the German giants food for thought, though. A couple of years later, Scottish minnows Raith Rovers led 1-0 at half-time, although they did lose 2-1 in the end. I think every single Raith fan must have this photo up on their wall, though?

IainFordyce17 on Twitter: "Impressed by the Man United team tonight. Got a feeling that Welbeck, Young and Jones will score tonight. Optimistic? Yes!!"

sanj06 on Twitter: "What a kick in the teeth for Lescott- been playing so well for the last 6 months and dropped in place of Kolo Toure."

1905: As discussed, City's task looks a lot harder. Formidable, even. Only one English team has beaten Bayern on their own patch in 17 attempts, a memorable night in October 1993 when Jeremy Goss smashed Norwich in front at their old Olympic Stadium with an unforgettable wonder volley, and the Canaries went on to win 2-1. Worth digging around the internet to find that one if you've never seen it.

1903: By the way, United have lost only one European game at Old Trafford since a 1-0 last-16 defeat by AC Milan in 2005 - a 1-0 defeat by Beskitas after they had already made sure of reaching the group stages. That's one defeat in 32 games.

From JD in Bath, via text: "Glad to see Welbeck leading the front, he's been the most inspirational of those three so far this season."

From Dave in Malmesbury, via text: "Expecting big things tonight. Should be an exciting game where City's class will shine through. Going for a 4-1 win. Dzeko will get a brace, Ageuro and Toure the others. Tonight, history will be made."

1901: And here's how you lot get involved. Tweet the commentary via the hashtag #BBCFootball, Tweet me @chrisbevan_bbc or text in via 81111 (UK).

1900: We've already had one result too, with Claudio Ranieri making it two wins out of two since taking over at Inter Milan, steering his new side to a 3-2 win over CSKA Moscow in Russia. Mauro Zarate bagged a late winner after CSKA had fought back from 2-0 down. Elsewhere in Group B, Joe Cole is in Lille's starting line-up for their match against Trabzonspor in Turkey.

1857: Plenty else going on tonight too, in Europe and on these shores. More info to come shortly on the upcoming action in the Football League and SPL tonight but, in the Champions League, the pick of the other matches is Real Madrid v Ajax, who have been European Champions 13 times between them.

1856: United, like City, are looking for their first European win of the season but, even with their injury problems, their prospects look a lot better than their neighbours. Basel may be top of Group C after their opening win over Otelul Galati, but their record in England is not exactly great. In fact, it's pretty awful. They have never won in seven visits in all competitions and, since drawing against both United and Liverpool on their Champions League debut in 2002/03 they have lost to Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Blackburn and, most recently, Fulham in 2009.

1854: By the way, United have no defenders on their bench. So Dimitar Berbatov, snubbed again tonight, could find himself reprising last week's central defensive role against Leeds in the Carling Cup if he is called into action. Michael Carrick could also fill in at the back if needed, of course.

1851: BREAKING MAN UTD TEAM NEWS
Any two from three in the United attack? Nope, just the one. Danny Welbeck starts up front on his own, in front of a five-man midfield of Ryan Giggs, Anderson and Ashley Young, Michael Carrick and Antonio Valencia. Rio Ferdinand partners Phil Jones in central defence. More on that shortly.

Bayern Munich v Man City line-ups
Bayern Munich:
Neuer, Rafinha, Van Buyten, Boateng, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Gustavo, Muller, Kroos, Ribery, Gomez. Subs: Butt, Petersen, Robben, Usami, Contento, Alaba, Tymoschuk.
Man City: Hart, Richards, Kompany, Toure, Clichy, Nasri, Barry, Toure Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko. Subs: Pantilimon, Zabaleta, Lescott, Milner, Kolarov, Tevez, De Jong.
Referee: Viktor Kassai (Hungary)

BAYERN MUNICH v MAN CITY (1945 BST)
Alistair Magowan reports: "Manchester City
fans will consider a trip to face four-times European Cup winners Bayern Munich as evidence of their team's arrival at the top tier. The German side will be making their 251st Champions League or European Cup appearance - this is only City's fourth, but their players are not exactly lacking experience in this competition. Bayern have won their last nine games this season without conceding a goal so the bets are that despite City's firepower, they will settle for a point."

MAN UTD v BASEL (1945 BST)
Chief football writer Phil McNulty reports from Old Trafford: "Manchester United
manager Sir Alex Ferguson admits two Champions League Final defeats to Barcelona in three years means this has not been "a golden period" for his team in this tournament. After opening this year's campaign with a draw against Benfica in Portugal, United are injury-hit as they face FC Basel. Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez are out, along with longer-term absentee Nemanja Vidic, but Ferguson will be hopeful he has the strength of squad to overcome the Swiss side."

1845: Manchester United are also in Champions League action tonight, of course. Not quite so much glamour about their Group C opponents, Swiss champions FC Basel, but still a lot of intrigue about that match. Who will lead United's line in the absence of the injured Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez for a start? Take your pick of any two from Dimitar Berbatov, Michael Owen and Danny Welbeck. But who do you think should get the nod?

1842: City are unbeaten and joint top of the Premier League but four-time European champions Bayern are flying too. Since losing their opening game of the season Jupp Heynckes' side are unbeaten and have won their last six matches, scoring 21 goals and conceding precisely zero. Which sets us up for a cracker tonight, no?

1840: BREAKING MAN CITY TEAM NEWS
Kolo Toure replaces Joleon Lescott in City's back four and Sergio Aguero and Edin Dzeko start together up front. Arjen Robben is not fit enough to start for Bayern but is on the bench, while two former City players in Jerome Boateng and Daniel van Buyten are at the heart of the German side's defence. Full details of both sides will be with you in a jiffy.

1837: Yep, Manchester City's first Champions League away trip takes them to the home of one of football's giants - and the place they want their journey in this year's competition to end in the final on 19 May, Bayern Munich's Allianz Arena.

1835: Evening all. Ready to hit the road to Munich again? Hop on board, then. First stop tonight is, er, Munich.



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Champ Lge Group A table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Bayern Munich 2 4 6
2 Napoli 2 2 4
3 Man City 2 -2 1
4 Villarreal 2 -4 0

Champ Lge Group B table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Trabzonspor 2 1 4
2 Inter Milan 2 0 3
3 Lille 2 0 2
4 CSKA Moscow 2 -1 1

Champ Lge Group C table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Basel 2 1 4
2 Benfica 2 1 4
3 Man Utd 2 0 2
4 SC Otelul Galati 2 -2 0

Champ Lge Group D table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Real Madrid 2 4 6
2 Lyon 2 2 4
3 Ajax 2 -3 1
4 Dinamo Zagreb 2 -3 0

Champ Lge Group E table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Chelsea 1 2 3
2 Genk 1 0 1
3 Valencia 1 0 1
4 Bayer Leverkusen 1 -2 0

Champ Lge Group F table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Marseille 1 1 3
2 Arsenal 1 0 1
3 Borussia Dortmund 1 0 1
4 Olympiakos 1 -1 0

Champ Lge Group G table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Apoel Nicosia 1 1 3
2 FC Porto 1 1 3
3 Shakhtar Donetsk 1 -1 0
4 Zenit St P'sbg 1 -1 0

Champ Lge Group H table snapshot

As it stood on 27 Sep 2011 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 AC Milan 1 0 1
2 BATE Borisov 1 0 1
3 Barcelona 1 0 1
4 Plzen 1 0 1

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