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By Chris Bevan
2217: I'd love to give Wet Jim the last word but I thought I'd better say goodbye myself, and also tell you what's coming up next before I do. On Thursday night we've got Europa League action, with Liverpool playing Utrecht and Manchester City hosting Juventus. Sounds good, doesn't it? I hope to see you there.
2215: And time for one last stat too, it's about penalties so it's very topical tonight.
tell me that this week saw a new record for a matchday - 13 penalties over Tuesday and Wednesday (the previous record was 10). The seven awarded tonight equal the Champions League record for a single day - seven on 13 September 2000. The best one of the night? Roman Pavlyuchenko's second, a cheeky chip with the keeper diving out of the way.
2211: Here's a bit of news for you before I sign off: Sheffield Wednesday have
been served with a winding-up order
by Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs over tax owed, BBC Radio Sheffield reports. That's the third time in three months that has happened to the Owls, which kind of tells its own story I'm afraid.
From Wet Jim at White Hart Lane, via text: "Re 2136 and 1915. Wet and Happy Jim loved a typical Spurs showing. Full of attacking intent even with 10 men. Worthy of the Champions League which is rife with negative 4-5-1 tactics."
2203: If anyone ever tells you that the Champions League group stages are boring, remind then of tonight. On top of the crazy scenes at White Hart Lane, there were spot-kicks galore around Europe and one of those penalties, for Hapoel Tel Aviv in their 3-1 defeat by Lyon, was scored by the Israeli club's Nigerian goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama. I'm looking forward to seeing that one.
2159: I should add that Rafael van der Vaart will miss Tottenham's trip to the San Siro because of his red card tonight.
Tottenham midfielder Rafael van der Vaart, who missed a penalty, scored a goal and then got sent off in his side's 4-1 win over FC Twente: "After my red card I was worried we wouldn't win the game but the boys played fantastically well. It was a strange game for me, to have all that happen! I've never played a game like that before."
2154: Manchester United and Rangers sit top of Group C tonight, with four points from two games. Tottenham are second in group A, level on points with Inter Milan put with a slightly inferior goal difference. That sets Spurs up for a cracking double-header with the defending champions in their next two Champions League games.
Sam_Walk on Twitter:
"As a Spurs fan I don't mind where we finish in the league as long as we win the Champions League, is that too much to ask?"
2147: While Manchester United's victory in Valencia was a classic 'smash and grab' and Rangers held on after scoring an early goal, Tottenham's win was packed with a lot more incident. I would very much like to see the three penalties that Spurs were awarded tonight again, and I'm pretty sure two of them shouldn't have been given. Still, they were comfortable in the end, despite being down to 10 men so bring on the champions - Inter Milan are next up for Harry Redknapp's boys.
From Keith in Leeds, via text: "Five wins out of five for British teams this week - looking good for Wembley."
2142: By the way, if you think there was something familiar about Manchester United's winner tonight, you were right.
tell me that Javier Hernandez's winning goal was Man Utd's 26th in the Champions League by a substitute player, setting a new record and surpassing Barcelona's total of 25.
2139: How about that then? Wins for all three British teams in action tonight, and they all picked up the points in very different ways.
2137: FULL-TIME Tottenham 4-1 FC Twente
2136: It's still raining at White Hart Lane but I think Wet Jim (see 1915) will have enjoyed himself tonight.
2135: We are in injury time at Ibrox, where Rangers, leading 1-0, are pressing Bursapor and keeping them in their own half. Group C will look very good from a British perspective if that score stays the same too.
2133: FULL-TIME Valencia 0-1 Man Utd
Tottenham goal: Spurs are home and dry now, surely? Douglas gives the ball away with a sloppy header across the back and Gareth Bale nips in before finding the net with a cool finish.
Champions League Macca: "Samuel Eto'o has his hat-trick and Rafa Benitez's Inter Milan look all set for three points as they now lead 4-0 at home to Werder Bremen. Wesley Sneijder puts him through and Eto'o does the rest, going round the keeper and slotting home."
Man Utd goal: A swift counter-attack sees Nani feed Federico Macheda, just on for Dimitar Berbatov, and he sets up Javier Hernandez to sweep the ball into the bottom corner of the net with the sweetest of finishes. It looks like Sir Alex Ferguson's men have snatched this right at the death.
2129: GOALFLASH Tottenham 4-1 FC Twente (Bale)
2128: GOALFLASH Inter Milan 4-0 Werder Bremen (Samuel Eto'o 81 hat-trick)
2123: United come agonisingly close to taking the lead... Nani crosses from the right and the ball comes through to Javier Hernandez at the back post. The young Mexican striker stretches to reach the ball but can only divert it on to the woodwork.
2122: Bursaspor are starting to enjoy more possession at Ibrox but Rangers are getting plenty of men back. Some sloppy play by Steven Whittaker gives the ball to Gokcek Wederson and the Gers defender will be pleased to see his effort flash past the near post.
2121: After that flurry of goals and penalties at White Hart Lane, things have settled down a bit in the last few minutes. Still, there are 15 minutes left so time for another few spot-kicks to be awarded, surely?
2119: That Schalke goal means there is only one goalless Champions League game tonight... and that's the one in Valencia. Manchester United, who have hardly threatened at all tonight, have brought on Javier Hernandez for Anderson.
2116: Manuel Fernandes, formerly of Everton and Portsmouth, is on for Valencia. He's just had a go at goal too... running at goal before seeing a swerving shot pushed away by Edwin van der Sar.
2115: Half a chance for Valencia. Miguel crosses from the right and Roberto Soldado flashes a header wide.
2113: Ouch. David Navarro has just trampled all over Nemanja Vidic, after fouling the Manchester United defeder. Not sure how he got away with that but, unsurprisingly, Vidic is not a happy chappy.
2112: Compared to White Hart Lane, it is VERY quiet in Valencia. Still, the Spaniards have got another striker on now in Aritz Aduriz, instead of Alejandro Dominguez, who was playing a lot deeper. They are the side showing more intent at the moment, not Manchester United.
Tottenham goal: Astonishing scenes at White Hart Lane. Roman Pavlyuchenko's long-range shot hits Wout Brama on the arm, but he was just trying to get out of the way of the ball, and had his back to it. Never a penalty in my book but there you go. Anyway, Pavlyuchenko steps up and nonchalantly chips the ball home from the spot. Three penalties for Spurs tonight, two of them successful. Harry Redknapp's men only have 10 men and it is STILL raining. I told you this would be a night to remember.
2107: GOALFLASH Tottenham 3-1 FC Twente (Pavlyuchenko pen)
2106: PENALTY to Tottenham
Tottenham red card: More problems for Spurs. Rafael van der Vaart jumps into Roberto Rosales - needlessly and recklessly as they challenge for a high ball. That's a second yellow card for the Dutchman.
2105: RED CARD Tottenham's Rafael van der Vaart
From Dry Keith, Leeds, via text: "I hope Wet Jim wasn't queuing for another burger and missed the start of the 2nd half..."
2102: More pressure from Rangers as Kenny Miller finds Maurice Edu, who makes some room for a shot on the edge of the area before sliding his effort just the wrong side of the upright.
FC Twente goal: A 2-0 lead in Europe is a dangerous scoreline for Spurs - remember Bremen? Tottenham have been living a bit dangerously since their second goal, with Marc Janko seeing a header land on the roof of the net, and the Dutch champions did not have to wait long to pull a goal back. After a spot of pinball in the box, the ball breaks for Nacer Chadli and he smashes his shot past Heurelho Gomes.
2059: GOALFLASH Tottenham 2-1 FC Twente (Chadli)
2058: Dimitar Berbatov has not had much service tonight but who needs service when you can make chances for yourself? The Bulgarian rides a challenge down the left and goes for goal, cutting inside but seeing his poked shot kept out by Cesar Sanchez's leg. That was United's best moment of the match.
2055: RED CARD Gilberto Silva of Panathinaikos
2055: Rangers have come out all guns blazing after the restart too. Maurice Edu puts Kenny Miller through and he does well to fashion a shot on his right foot. Dimitar Ivankov comes out to block his shot and Steven Naismith balloons the rebound well over. Lee McCulloch does well to block a dangerous shot from Sercan Yildirim at the other end, potentially with an arm but he gets away with it.
Tottenham goal: No doubts about the penalty this time. Gareth Bale bursts into the box and is scythed down by Roberto Rosales. This time Roman Pavlyuchenko steps up and sends Nikolay Mihaylov the wrong way from the spot. What a start to the second half for Spurs.
2053: GOALFLASH Tottenham 2-0 FC Twente (Pavlyuchenko pen)
2052: PENALTY to Tottenham
Tottenham goal: How do you make up for missing a penalty? Like this, that's how. Tom Huddlestone's deep cross is headed down by Peter Crouch and Rafael van der Vaart controls the ball on his chest before slamming in a powerful shot. Spurs have the lead, just seconds after the restart.
2050: GOALFLASH Tottenham 1-0 FC Twente (Van der Vaart)
2049: The second half has just started at White Hart Lane and Ibrox too.
2047: We are still waiting for the Rangers and Bursapor players to emerge after the break. The Glasgow side were full value for their half-time lead after a very energetic opening 45 minutes for the hosts at Ibrox.
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson speaking at half-time: "We have to use the ball better when we get it, and play with more intensity. If they press as they are, they will get tired so we have to keep it going. Hopefully we'll be OK."
2046: We are back under way at The Mestalla. No changes for Valencia or Manchester United to tell you about.
2045: So, things are finely-poised in the games involving Tottenham and Manchester United, while Rangers have got a narrow advantage against Bursapor. A win for the Scottish side would send them joint top of Group C if the score in Valencia stays the same.
From Pharaohnuff in Egypt, via text: "Why do United look so uninterested like we did against Rangers at Old Trafford? It's a decent side on paper. Can't even say bring Michael Owen or Chicharito on because we're not creating chances for them! Time for the Sir Alex Ferguson
hairdryer treatment please."
2039: Further to that Nikolay Mihaylov penalty save to deny Spurs, I should add that the FC Twente keeper got a booking for his fairly ridiculous time-wasting (he wasn't even standing in his goal for a long time) beforehand. Replays also showed he was a long way off his line when Rafael van der Vaart struck the penalty, and there were about four defenders in the area by then too. Apart from that, there was nothing wrong with it!
alexedwards07 on Twitter:
"The United midfield are giving the ball away every time they get it. Without the guile of Scholes in there, too, it's poor."
HALF-TIME Tottenham 0-0 FC Twente Mandeep Sanghera's half-time snapshot:
"Plenty of action at White Hart Lane. Keeper Heurelho Gomes the hero and Rafael van der Vaart the villain for Spurs going into half-time against a FC Twente side causing them plenty of problems."
2033: HALF-TIME Rangers 1-0 Bursaspor
2032: A bit of a delay at The Lane while Roberto Rosales gets treatment. It's been a very open first-half in north London, but still no goals.
HALF-TIME Valencia 0-0 Man Utd Jonathan Stevenson's half-time snapshot:
"It's not awful, but it's not very interesting. Dare I say it, but both teams already look like they'd be happy with a point. That's not much fun now, is it? Let's hope we improve."
2030: That man Nikolay Mihaylov denies Rafael van der Vaart again... this time pushing away the Dutchman's rasping half-volley after Tottenham break quickly.
Champions League Macca: "Tottenham's next opponents and trophy holders Inter Milan are enjoying a good night, brushing off their defeat at Roma at the weekend. Samuel Eto'o got them going at home to Bremen with a couple of tidy finishes in the space of six minutes midway through the opening half, before the Cameroonian turned provider for Wesley Sneijder to pop in the third."
2029: GOALFLASH Panathinaikos 0-2 FC Copenhagen (Martin Vingaard 37)
Missed Tottenham penalty: I'm not sure about this penalty in the first place. It's given when Peter Wisgergof tangles with Peter Crouch in the area and, although there is definitely holding going on, it is by both players by the look of it. Anyway, it's given and, after a delay caused by Nikolay Mihaylov time-wasting, Rafael van der Vaart is the man to take it... He steps up is denied by a brilliant Mihaylov save, with the keeper diving to his right to push it around the post.
2025: MISSED PENALTY Tottenham's Rafael van der Vaart
2023: GOALFLASH Inter Milan 3-0 Werder Bremen (Wesley Sneijder 34)
2021: I'm guessing Rangers fans are pretty happy at the moment, and here's a patriotic stat for them from
that should cheer them up even more. Steven Naismith is the first Scot for over three years to score a Champions League goal for Rangers at Ibrox. The last was current Blackpool captain Charlie Adam against VfB Stuttgart on September 19, 2007. Scot Lee McCulloch scored at Ibrox last season in the match against Unirea Urziceni but unfortunately it was in the wrong net.
2019: A chance at The Mestalla too. Pablo Hernandez sprints past Patrice Evra as though he isn't there and whips in a dangerous low ball. It rolls across the face of goal but no Valencia man is near enough to get a touch.
2016: Action at both ends at The Lane. First, Twente have to deal with a dangerous Gareth Bale corss, but then quickly break and Marc Janko's first-time shot fizzes just wide of the post.
2014: GOALFLASH Panathinaikos 0-1 FC Copenhagen (Dame Ndoye 28)
2014: GOALFLASH Inter Milan 2-0 Werder Bremen (Samuel Eto'o 27)
2012: A first change for Twente. Emir Bajrami pulled up unchallenged and has been replaced by Nacer Chadli.
2011: United have gone a bit direct in the last couple of minutes to try to find Dimitar Berbatov, who is on his own up front tonight remember. It's not really working out, but Valencia are hardly knocking on the door at the moment either. Since their two defence errors, Sir Alex Ferguson's side have looked a lot more solid.
Rangers goal: Rangers have looked very lively and they've been rewarded by a very tidy finish from Steven Naismith, who got in front of Bursaspor keeper Dimitar Ivankov to knock in Kirk Broadfoot's header across goal.
2008: GOALFLASH Inter Milan 1-0 Werder Bremen (Samuel Eto'o 21)
2006: Spurs have woken up a bit, with Rafael van der Vaart forcing a fine low save from Nikolay Mihaylov after letting fly from the edge of the area. Tom Huddlestone is getting involved too, and is perhaps lucky to escape a card after catchng Marc Janko with a flailing arm.
2004: GOALFLASH Rangers 1-0 Bursaspor (Naismith)
2002: Another mistake by United, and another let-off. Edwin van der Sar completely misses a cross from the left and Roberto Soldado has the simple task of heading it home, or so you would think. Instead, probably because he doesn't expect the chance, Soldado cannot connect properly and nods over.
2001: Oops. Michael Carrick gives the ball away for United in a dangerous area and suddenly Pablo Hernandez has a shooting chance... but he fires over from the edge of the box.
1959: Another chance for Twente, and its their best of the night so far. Just after Roman Pavlyuchenko shoots wide for the home side, Bryan Ruiz runs clean through and is only denied by a superb Heurelho Gomes save, who reaches out an arm to keep out the Costa Rican's shot.
WiKeD_DeviL on Twitter:
"Red Devils should be confident here. Rio's back!! Surely there wont be dodgy defending. 3-0 win I reckon."
1954: Another sniff for Twente. Denny Landzaat's shot is blocked by Sebastien Basson but the ball drops for Bryan Ruiz, who shoots over from the edge of the area. Tottenham haven't really got going yet.
1953: Rangers are first to threaten at Ibrox, where Maurice Edu has a shot deflected narrowly wide.
1952: Theo Janssen is Twente's playmaker and he's already looking dangerous for the Dutchmen. His free-kick into the area only just eluded Douglas, who had found a bit of space behind the Tottenham defence.
1950: Dimitar Berbatov has a pop from the edge of the area for United and it's a decent effort too, just a couple of yards wide. I think it gets a slight deflection on its way through... but referee Viktor Kasai gives a goal-kick.
1948: Valencia break forward down the right but Miguel's cross is too close to Edwin van der Sar. The Spaniards don't hang about when it comes to getting forward.
1946: And at White Hart Lane too.
1945: We are under way in Spain and Scotland.
1942: Right, the players are in the tunnel at The Mestalla, White Hart Lane and Ibrox. We are going to hear your favourite anthem very soon...
Sir Alex Ferguson on Rio Ferdinand playing for Manchester United tonight despite his ongoing back problems: "It's a very tough job, we've had some dour games against Valencia and their system is almost exactly the same as when we played them 12 years ago. Rio's experience is vital for us - we need to keep possession of the ball tonight and he's good at that. We need to get rid of the carelessness, that's what we've been scratching our heads at."
1939: I'll be keeping you up to date with Rangers' progress here but, if you want to concentrate on their game with Bursapor, then join Stevie Miller in his
text commentary dedicated to that game.
Oh, and if you want to listen to live BBC Radio 5 live commentary of Valencia-Man Utd then give this page a manual refresh. Got that? Good.
1935: In case you were wondering, Wet Jim (see 1915) wasn't fibbing - it's pouring down at White Hart Lane.
From HotdogSalesman on 606:
"Does the twitterer Andy Szpuk know that we have injuries, or that we still have five players there capable of scoring? Or realise we have to stop this predilection for giving away goals?"
xoxjordanaxox on Twitter:
"Why are people overrating this very average Valencia side? yes they're top of La Liga, but its only after five games!!!"
1929: This isn't a subject that Manchester United or Valencia fans will like talking about, but the combined debt of the two sides battling it out at the Mestalla tonight is a mind-boggling £1,136m. That's £716m for United and £420m for the Spaniards. For a cautionary tale about the consequences of clubs stretching their finances to the limit, check out this
Daily Telegraph article
on Valencia's current problems that forced them to sell Davids Villa and Silva in the summer, and have left them unable to finish building their new stadium.
AndySzpuk on Twitter:
"United's line-up is looking very defensive - Sir Alex is clearly anticipating a tough contest."
1920: FULL-TIME Rubin Kazan 1-1 Barcelona
1919: A quick and not-actually-as-random-as-it-might-seem question for you. Who is your favourite Belgian goalkeeper? It will always be Jean-Marie Pfaff for me but running him a close second is Michel Preud'homme who, as it happens, replaced Steve McLaren as boss of FC Twente this summer. If you want to read more about the coach who will be trying to bring about Tottenham's downfall tonight, then you should head in the direction of
Phil Minshull's excellent blog
about the man (and his famous mullet) on the BBC website.
From Wet Jim, soaked through and having a White Hart Lane dinner in the pouring rain (double cheese 1/2 pounder, hold the onions), via text: "Two Champions League games, two nights of torrential rain. Not sure the gods are with us on this campaign."
1915: When I said 'all Barcelona', I meant 'mostly'. It's actually Rubin who have just had a glorious chance to snatch victory but Obafemi Martins has just headed against a post from point-blank range. A huge waste.
Valencia v Man Utd team news Jonathan Stevenson reports:
"Manchester United might be missing some star names, but they do have Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic together in defence for the first time all season. In midfield, Anderson makes his first non-Carling Cup start since February, while Michael Carrick returns after a month-long absence. Dimitar Berbatov ploughs a lone furrow up top. Valencia, unbeaten in 11 home games in Europe and top of La Liga are without midfielders Vicente and Ever Banega, but the in-form Roberto Soldado leads their line."
Tottenham v FC Twente team news Mandeep Sanghera reports:
"Tottenham keeper Heurelho Gomes, centre-back Ledley King, left-back Benoit Assou-Ekotto and striker Roman Pvlyuchenko return to the starting line-up. Winger Aaron Lennon is one of those that has to make way. FC Twente make two changes from the side which drew 2-2 with Ajax at the weekend. Midfielder Emir Bajrami and striker Marc Janko replace Luuk de Jong and Nacer Chadli."
1912: It is all Barcelona in Russia, where Leo Messi has come off the bench for the Spanish side... but Rubin Kazan are hanging on. There are less than five minutes of the 90 left for Messi to weave his magic.
1910: Rangers definitely have to do better at Ibrox tonight than they managed last season in the Champions League, when they lost all three of their home games, but I'm not sure whether this stat from
is good news for Walter Smith's side or not ahead of their game with Bursapor: Turkish sides have only won seven of 72 Champions League away matches and have been outscored 51-153 in them. However, their last away match was a Besiktas away win at Man Utd on 25 Nov 2009. Three of those seven wins were recorded on British soil.
Twente forward Bryan Ruiz on how his side hope to frustrate Tottenham tonight: "How can we be smart? Just by keeping the ball, don't let them play, press them when we can, try to score the chances we create. Because in this kind of match sometimes there are not many chances to score."
Tottenham v FC Twente line-ups Tottenham: Gomes, Hutton, Bassong, King, Assou-Ekotto, Van der Vaart, Huddlestone, Modric, Bale, Pavlyuchenko, Crouch. Subs: Cudicini, Lennon, Jenas, Keane, Palacios, Kranjcar, Corluka. FC Twente: Mihailov, Rosales, Franco, Wisgerhof, Kuiper, Brama, Janssen, Ruiz, Landzaat, Bajrami, Janko. Subs: Boschker, Bengtsson, de Jong, Parker, Chadli, Vujicevic, Schimpelsberger. Referee: Terje Hauge (Norway)
Valencia v Man Utd line-ups Valencia: Cesar, Miguel, Navarro, Maduro, Mathieu, Pablo, Albelda, Costa, Mata, Dominguez, Soldado. Subs: Moya, Bruno, Topal, Aduriz, Feghouli, Fernandes, Ricardo Costa. Man Utd: Van der Sar, Rafael Da Silva, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Berbatov, Park. Subs: Kuszczak, Owen, Smalling, Hernandez, O'Shea, Macheda, Gibson. Referee: Viktor Kassai (Hungary)
Tottenham v FC Twente Mandeep Sanghera reports:
"You have to go back to April 1962 for the last time Spurs played a home game in the proper stages of Europe's top club competition. It's been a long wait and White Hart Lane should be buzzing as Dutch champions FC Twente come to try to spoil the party. The visitors won the Eredivisie title under ex-boss Steve McClaren last season but are now managed by Michel Preud'homme and have never beaten English opposition in Europe in nine previous attempts."
1859: By the way, that one Man Utd win in Spain that I spoke of at 1852 BST was against Deportivo La Coruna in April 2002, when David Beckham and Ruud van Nistelrooy scored in a 2-0 victory.
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson on his side's task against Valencia: "It's obviously the hardest place for us to go. Spain has produced cup winning teams for years and years and you have to recognise that. The standard of Spanish football always been very good, so this is a tough game for us. We're all aware of that."
Valencia v Man Utd Jonathan Stevenson reports:
"Shorn of the services of Rooney, Scholes, Giggs and Valencia, Manchester United face a devilishly tricky test against Antonio's namesakes in the Mestalla. Despite losing Davids Villa and Silva in the summer, Los Che sit pretty at the top of La Liga with 13 points from five games, as well as thrashing Bursaspor 4-0 away in their opening Group C game. After a tame 0-0 draw with Rangers two weeks ago, United will want to kick-start their campaign in Spain."
1857: So, the goals are already, ahem, flooding in, which means only one thing is missing this evening - you lot. You know the score by now:
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1856: There is plenty else going on tonight too, and some of it is happening right now. There are seven Champions League games starting at 1945 BST, including United, Spurs and Rangers versus Turkish champions Bursapor but one game has already started. Rubin Kazan are level with Barcelona in a match of two penalties (Cristian Noboa for the Russians and David Villa for Barca) and there is about 20 minutes to go in that one.
1852: I'm not so sure Manchester United supporters are relishing their trip to Valencia quite as much, though. So far this season, United's only away win has come against Scunthorpe. Also, in more than 50 years of European competition, and in 18 attempts, they have only managed one victory in Spain. Tonight's opponents for Sir Alex Ferguson's men? La Liga leaders Valencia. Oh, and did I mention that Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes are all out too?
1849 BST: It's finally here. The evening many Tottenham fans have been waiting a lifetime for has arrived... no, not just a first-ever meeting with FC Twente, but also the first (proper) Champions League game at White Hart Lane. A night to remember? I think it is one of those already...
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