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Monday, 27 January, 2003, 05:03 GMT
Do the Bucs have the best-ever defence?
An explosive defensive effort unhinges Oakland to hand Tampa Bay their first-ever Super Bowl victory.
But can the Bucs boast the best defence ever to play in the NFL?
The Buccaneers defence is the hardest hitting and most destructive to be seen in the NFL for quite some time.
Led by the likes of Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and Simeon Rice, it has stifled every team it has come across in this year's playoffs.
And even NFL MVP Rich Gannon and the free-scoring Raiders found no way past it at Super Bowl XXXVII.
So does the Bucs defence now stand comparison to Pittsburgh's "Steel Curtain" of the 1970s?
Whilst you can only admire the quality of the Bucs' defence, one point a lot of people have overlooked is as John Lynch said on the sideline during the Superbowl, 'They're running every play that we practised against'.
Tampa had an advantage that no other team has had in the Superbowl in that their head coach knew 90% of Oakland's offensive plays as the Raiders lined up.
Gary Williams, England
"Great" defences come and go but what can you say about the Steel Curtain with 4 rings over 6 years. That should speak for itself but you also have Lambert, Ham, Blount and Greene: all Hall of Famers.
That in the day when people didn't make millions just for signing a contract. These guys excelled for the love of the game.
The best defence ever is Chicago Bears of 1985! Hands Down. Dent, Marshall, Singletary etc. They were one of a kind Defence.
Sapp and K. Johnson have championship rings. The Horror!
Whilst the Buc's Defence is the best this season and has been good for the past couple of years, it is difficult to say that they are the best of all time.
Whilst they have a talented squad of players, credit should go to Monty Kiffin and his staff for producing tremendous game plans.
My hope is that this Superbowl rekindles the British public interest in American Football and in turn that they come out and support the British game, where amateurs play for the love of the sport.
A terrific defensive performance from the best D in several years.
I agree with Grant from the USA. The Baltimore Ravens were simply amazing. Remember how bad their offence was? Just makes their defence all the more remarkable.
I remember in a 4 game period in the regular season they did not manage an offensive touchdown yet still managed two wins.
One must consider that this defence has steadily improved over the last three years. They were pretty good last year, and they brought it up a notch this year, to being the NFL best. If they notch it up again next year, and again in 2004, then they could very well be the best ever.
Frankly, it's still difficult to grasp the reality that my Buccaneers are finally the champions. It's a really GREAT feeling.
Our defence definately rocks! It is the best since the Bears in the '80s. We are fast and effective, and played a phenomenal game against the Raiders.
The Bucs have a dominating defence, but the best defence of the modern era belongs to the '85 Chicago bears. It was Buddy Ryan's 4-6 defence that caused Bill Walsh to develop the "West Coast" offence. No other defence can make a claim as significant as that.
In terms of history, Tampa has a first-tier defence along with the Bears in '85 and Ravens in 2000. The Purple People Eaters, Orange Crush, Fearsome Foursome, and the Kansas defence of the late '60s and early '70s also belong in that category.
But for anyone who has watched football before the 1980s, the best defence of all time was the '76 Steel Curtain (a year when Pittsburgh did not win the Super Bowl). The Bears usually get the vote from the fans who started watching in the 1980s.
No way is the Bucs' defence the best ever, that distinction belongs to the 1984 World Champion Chicago Bears!!!
As a Tampa resident I have to say I am real proud of our team. The best team ever is Miami in their 1972 season where they played 17-0. A perfect season. Now it's Tampa's turn and hopefully we will stay on top. The entire city is still having a party and this afternoon we are having a parade for the Bucs. And it's all because of these two words:
The good people of Tampa are still celebrating the big win even on Tuesday morning. The victory parade will be Bayside in downtown Tampa in the afternoon on Tuesday. Absentees at schools were double the norm on Monday after the game.
As for the best defence ever (the question at hand), the Bucs can humbly make an argument. They probably are the fastest ever. They outscored the NFL's #1 offence three touchdowns to two (the Raiders scored once on a punt block as well). That's a pretty big statement for the history books (perhaps they're the best offensive defence ever?).
And while the Ravens went by the wayside, they were a wild-card team that just got on a roll in the playoffs. This Bucs team has been together too long to splinter now, when Tampa is on the verge of making history (three straight Vince Lombardi trophies anyone?).
Optimistic, yes, but I'm from Tampa just like our Coach Gruden. And this team is special...the D has been consistently good for years, and the future is bright for the former laughingstocks of world sport. We used to be losers, but the world isn't laughing at Tampa anymore.
The Buccaneers are Super Bowl Champions. It is a wonderful feeling of pride to have grown up in this town and finally to see our team on top of the world after so many years of futility. Score one for the little guy! Score one for Chucky!
Mr Sapp may have overstated the Bucs' case for best D ever just a bit, but they did CRUSH their competition. You can talk smack when you back it up like the Bucs do.
The Bucs are a superb team and they deserve this bowl win after the past couple sad knockouts in the closing rounds of the playoffs, not to mention their horrid first 23 years in the league.
Their defence shut down one of the best offences seen in a while, they're one of the best ever. Just hope Gruden can hold on to them!
The Buccaneers' defence was awesome. Certainly the last three games have been the most effective defensive displays over the last 20 years. Two highly rated quarterbacks - McNabb and Gannon - could not get any kind of offence going. They were exceptional against the rush, and impenetrable against the pass.
Nevertheless, the key to Tampa's victory was their offence. In the final five or six weeks of the regular season, the Bucs were awful - couldn't pass, couldn't rush - no offence.
Suddenly Johnson came back against San Francisco and played like a man possessed. This, with the defence ensured victory against the 49ers and the Eagles, but the jewel in the crown was the sudden discovery of a running game on Sunday.
I would love to see this Tampa team play against the 1985 Bears - the best team I have ever seen.
Bears in the mid-'80s were superb. Remember how the 49ers closed out Dan Marino and won by a country mile in the their first(?) Superbowl win.
I'm not saying that they were the best ever, but when fantastic defences of the past are being discussed, the Giants of the late '80s more than merit inclusion.
One Super Bowl does not a dynasty make. While the Bucs deserve kudos for this year's Super Bowl, they have a long way to go before they even come close the Steel Curtain.
There have been some great defences in my lifetime and with due respect to the Steel Curtain I would say the Bucs are far more disruptive than Pittsburgh was. However, the Bears of the mid-80s were the best defence I have seen by a large margin.
As a long time Bucs fan who has watched them battle their way from the lowest ranks of the NFL, I have nothing but pride and congratulations for this team. I don't know about the best, but I do know they go out there and play punishing football with more heart than has been seen in a long time. They make their opponents pay for every yard and play like monsters the entire game. Only the future can tell where they go from here.
Absolutely this is the best defence ever; it has speed, finesse, the best open field tacklers in the game and the hardest hitting too. There isn't a weak link in the whole defence even if you go two or three deep at any position.
Just wait for next year, the salary cap is under control, the offence will improve allowing the defence to rest more, Super Bowl XXXVIII here we come.
They are certainly a quality outfit, and have the fastest defence I have ever seen. They also have a great pass rush, and get so much pressure on the quarterback from their front four alone that they rarely need to blitz.
This allows a somewhat mediocre secondary to sit back in coverage with the help of their linebackers and wait for the quarterback to make mistakes. Overall though I would have to agree with others here that the Ravens 2000 and the 1985 Bears defence were better.
How about this nickname for the Bucs defence: The Swarm. They are as quick as bees, and just as angry. Nearly every tackle Tampa had on Sunday was made by two or more defenders. Their sacks and interceptions are spread over their entire line-up, and the pressure they put on every star quarterback this year was simply insatiable! Heck, maybe we should call them the Killer B's!
No doubt the '85 Bears had the best. Their proximity to near perfection was reflected in the intense gaze of Mike Singletary and demonstrated in the dismantling of the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.
My belief is that the best defence ever was that of the 2001 Super Bowl winners the Baltimore Ravens. They dominated other teams' offences throughout the regular season as well as in post season. Then they stopped the New York Giants dead in their tracks in Super Bowl 35. The Giants were no pushovers yet were unable to post any offensive touchdowns or field goals. Only a fluke special teams play prevented the first Super Bowl shutout in history.
Great defence, although Oakland didn't really handle the pressure well. I have to say though that calling Tampa bay the 'world' champs is annoying. It's 'American' football so they are the champions of 'America'. That's like saying Arsenal are the 'world' champions for winning the FA cup last year.
It has to be close to the best all time; it's up there with the Broncos 'Orange Crush', Steelers 'Steel Curtain', Viking 'Purple People Eaters' or any other you want to name. The only reason there's a debate is that it hasn't got a catchy name - yet.
The perennial cupcake Buccaneers are the world champs. They played a dominating game and my hat's off to them. The only drawback now is that Keyshawn Johnson and Warren Sapp now have Super Bowl rings. The are two of the most outspoken and arrogant players in the game. Now they'll be even worse!
The 2000 Ravens were better, as were many past Steelers and Raiders teams. These guys have earned their dues though for being good for many years now, topped off by the Super Bowl win.
It is too early to hypothetically compare. There is no doubt, in this year, in this moment, they were/are awesome, but you have to ask the question in three years time. Equally with the salary cap and the way the league is constructed now, it will be very hard to create any kind of dynasty.
I wasn't able to watch last night's game but in terms of defence, the best defence I have seen in the last 20 years was the Chicago team that won the Superbowl in the mid 1980s.
The Bears of '85 were the best defence ever, but these Buccs are fairly close. The greatest defensive line of the last 20 years for me was the Vikings of the late 80's though.
Good they may be, but what about the Bears of the '80s? A near shut out in the 'Bowl and only one loss in the regular season.
In 15 years of watching American Football I have to say the Bucs' defence is the most effective and fastest I've ever seen. What they lack in size they more than make up for in ability to disrupt the offence and get to the quarterback, as Gannon will testify!
Tampa Bay Buccaneers remind me of the Pittsburgh Steelers, San Francisco '49ers, Dallas Cowboys and the Chicago Bears defences.
They are strong, have the taste to win, and their defences in these championship teams helped in many ways in winning the Super Bowl. If you look at the Raiders, their defence did not have the enthusiasm, or will to win.
The best defence ever? Give me a break! The Chicago Bears defence of the mid 80's was the all time best: Singletary, Dent and Marshall - the names drip of the tongue. They didn't only beat their opponents they mentally destroyed them....for a good five/six years. The Buccs have some way to go yet to match that consistency and pure menace.
The best defence I ever saw were the 1985 Bears '46 defence. Hampton, Dent, McMichael, Singletary et al. They were amazing to watch although probably painful to play against - the Dolphins that year were the only team to perform against them.
Tampa, while having a great defence aren't the greatest ever. The Raiders were out of synch most of the game, which gave the impression that Tampa were better than they really were.
You have to remember that Oakland had lost their starting centre for reasons unknown. They don't have a running game of any sorts. This meant that Tampa could deal with the pass all day long.
Had Tampa played another AFC team one with a true running game, Miami, Denver or even the Jets or Titans for instance then the game would have been much closer.
The best Defence in history was probably the Bears in the mid eighties followed by the early 70's Dolphins and then the Steelers of the 70's. Baltimore while outstanding for a couple of seasons have still managed to lose games which they had no right to give up and have since fallen apart.
In the modern age of Football I doubt we will EVER see a defence stay on top for more than five years due to the salary cap, etc.
One season and one Super Bowl victory and you talk of the best ever? Nonsense!
The Steelers won four in six years and it was the defence that was the key to it all, particularly the first two. In Jack Lambert they had the best middle linebacker ever to play the game - Jack Ham on the outside was no slouch either ... only Lawrence Taylor compares. Mel Blount led an aggressive secondary that pirated many a wayward pass.
Then, ask Fran Tarkenton about the Steel Curtain front four: LC Greenwood, Joe Greene, Ernie Holmes and Dwight White ... peerless ... You couldn't run against them, you couldn't pass against them. The Steelers had the best D in an era of great Defences (Dallas Doomsday, Raiders, etc.). Tampa Bay have a lot to do to prove they are even close.
Definitely the best in a decade. This is shown by the fact that there wasn't a weak link in the defence at any time. If they can continue this over a season or two they be the greatest but not quite yet.
What the Buccs achieved at the Superbowl, and the dominating manner in which they did it (against the best offence and season MVP in the game, and with a low-ranked offence themselves) easily ranks as the single most impressive defensive display in the history of the sport. The Buccs may not be the best defence ever (yet), but this performance was unquestionably the best ever.
I have followed American Football since 1983 and I have to say the most awesome defence I ever saw was the 1885-6 Bears. Fair play to Tampa, they are good and well deserved their victory over the number one rated offence in the league.
The Tampa defence certainly came up with the goods and utilised the nickel formation very well against a potent passing attack. But for me the Ravens defence of a couple of years ago is the best. Opposing offences were completely shut down. Lewis, Bouleware and Sharper were probably the most athletic line backing unit to play together.
No doubt, the Bucs have a fine D - I think that was shown in the NFC Championship game even more than in the Superbowl where Ronde Barber played the best individual game I have seen in 19 years of watching the NFL.
However, the Bucs cannot claim to be the best D ever. That was Buddy Ryan's 46 defence that led the Bears to destroy the Pats in Superbowl XX. They set the model for the big, fast, aggressive, blitzing defence that is common today. What's more, they were fun to watch!
You can only compare sporting performances relative to their peers at the time. Anything else would be like having different sized goals for two different teams on a football pitch...!
The Bears were so dominant - they lost one game all year with a mediocre QB and a RB in his twilight years (a bit like 5-11 Dallas this year?) - that they deserve to be remembered as the best defence ever.
This defence isn't even the best free-safety Rod Woodson has been a part of in his illustrious career. His 2000 club, the Baltimore Ravens, were far better.
Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams were both hulking loads on the line, who consumed multiple blockers, leaving linebackers Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware and Jamie Sharper free to rush the quarterback or stop the run with impunity.
The weakest part of the defence was the back-four, but any quarterback who has tried to throw against Chris McAllister, Duane Starks and Woodson himself will tell you that's not much of a weakness.
Respect to Tampa, they deserved their title, but comparing the Buccaneers to the Ravens is like comparing Michael Owen to Thierry Henry - the first one is very nice, but the second is simply unbelievable.
The Bucs' "D" is good but it hardly compares to the best ever. That is the Chicago Bears' "Monsters of the Midway" of the mid 80s.
They compare to the Steel Curtain, but they cannot live up to the legendary "Monsters of the Midway," the 1985-6 Chicago Bears. This team was in my opinion the greatest defensive team ever, followed closely by the Ravens of Super Bowl XXXV.
Earlier this evening I heard Warren Sapp mouthing off about how the Tampa Bay defence is every bit as good at the Steel Curtain of the 70s. The Buccaneers have a formidable defence, no doubt about that. Still, I wonder whether the Bucs' defence of 2002 will go the way of the Ravens defence of 2001? Remember how two short years ago they were the "best" ever? In this era of salary caps and parity, there are no more dynasties.
The Bucs' defence is a joy to watch, but the play of the Baltimore Ravens defence a few years ago will be very hard to match.
The Bears' defence of the mid 1980s was, in my biased opinion, the best defence ever to grace the football field.
In sport, speed kills. You saw it in the World Cup with the more athletic sides causing even the strongest national teams problems. This Bucs defence is collectively the fastest the NFL has ever witnessed. Is it the best ever? I would rate the Ravens Super Bowl defence ahead of them, but the Bucs are right with them amongst the greatest defences ever.
Time and again this defence made victory possible, statistically they show this and winning this Super Bowl shows their mettle. The Steel Curtain won four Super Bowls, but this defence lacked an adequate offence until this year (even this season the Bucs' offence was rated 24th). I believe only time will tell if this defence can be compared to the Steel Curtain, but I think we can easily credit them as the most outstanding this decade.
The pure speed of Tampa's defence is so impressive. Watching American Football, I am always amazed at how such huge men can run so fast. The athletes that Tampa possess are certainly some of the greatest all-around athletes in any sport around the globe. Bravo!
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