NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT: BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS- HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY. ........................................................................ PANORAMA "the wOnderland club" RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 11:02:01 ........................................................................ JANE CORBIN: Tomorrow, seven men will be sentenced for trading three quarters of a million images of child pornography on the Internet. CORBIN: Mr Baldock, do you realise that you've ruined the innocence of these children? Why did you collect so many images of children? NICK WEBBER: We worked out a technique where we could actually watch them live on the Internet. DAVID HINES: It's great the Net.. new pictures to trade… it's wonderful - it draws you in, it sucks you in. It's a whole world in itself. CORBIN: Tonight Panorama reveals the inside story of the police hunt for the Wonderland Club - an international ring of paedophiles. JOHN STEWARDSON: Everyone of these images represents a disaster to a family somewhere. CHERYL: We never think its our child - never. CORBIN: The faces of a thousand unknown children, victims of sexual abuse. In a dark underworld of the internet paedophiles traded these pictures in a club they called Wonderland. Some even preyed on young children to satisfy the demands of their friends. NICK WEBBER Computer Consultant What made this ring so very different it was real children, real active abuse of children on a global scale and the exchange of that material between the members. So it was very, very disturbing. CORBIN: David Hines was a member of Wonderland - a loner who had himself been abused as child. He found it easy to discover child pornography when he first went onto the internet. DAVID HINES The first thing anyone does when they get online is go looking for the porn, it's just one of those things. And I found that fairly easily and within 24 hours I'd found the child porn as well. I didn't expect to find it at first, I thought well it's an urban myth, it's just something you hear about on the news and there it was, it was sitting in front of me. Within days he was hooked, exploring the hidden depths of the Internet. There he met other paedophiles. Thinking they were protected by the anonymity of the Net they traded sexually explicit images of children and talked about them. HINES: I had people I could talk to. I had people that I could trade images with as well. But I had friends. I'd never had so many friends. I had friends all over the world. JANE CORBIN For two years now we've been piecing together the inside story of the Wonderland Club through the unique access that we've had to the worldwide police operation to track down the members of the club. I've had to look at many of the images of children they collected. They are just too explicit, too distressing to show in their original state. These images present disturbing evidence of the extensive but secret world of paedophiles on the Internet. The story of Wonderland began in America, four years ago, in the small community of Greenfield in California. In April 1996 a ten year old girl, Alison, stayed the night with her friend from school. A few days later Alison's mother received a phone call. A school friend's father, Ronald Riva, had been arrested for molesting a child. CHERYL She called and said "I think you should talk to your daughter to see if she's been a victim". I said "Well, okay, I don't think so. I mean I'll let you know. I don't think so." And I honestly was just in such a scramble at that moment. It was unfathomable to me that there could be anything to it. CORBIN: Ronald Riva had threatened Alison to stop her telling anyone what had happened. In the days after his arrest the young girl tried to protect her friend's father. CHERYL: So we brought her in and talked with her and she just crossed her little arms and said "No, no, no, I'm not a victim". And I said "Do you know what molestation is, do you know what a victim is?" You know, because at that point I was shooting from just a blank space. I didn't have a clue, because we never think it's our child, never. CORBIN: But later that day, while other children were preparing for a school trip, Alison shut herself away in her room. CHERYL: I was taking some clothes into her room and I found her curled up on her bed and I knew, I knew at that moment, and I said to her.. I said to myself, I prayed that whatever I do at this point please let me say the right thing. CORBIN: From the privacy of his home in Greenfield Ronald Riva had gone onto the Internet to trade child pornography with a group of men in other parts of America. But it went much further when Riva encouraged his young daughter to have her friends over to stay. One night in the Easter holidays when Alison was staying, Riva linked up a small camera to his computer. He took the child into the computer room and abused her on line in front of a dozen men watching in four different countries. They typed in requests for Riva to perform specific sexual acts with the child. CHERYL: She revealed that this was in the middle of the slumber party she had been pulled out of the party and taken into the computer room and she was molested and violated and raped on line as it was being broadcast to Australia and Canada and Finland and places all over the United States. It was just devastating to me and I just sat there with tears just streaming down my face because I was barely beginning to absorb what had happened. CORBIN: Alison's ordeal might never have come to light if another local child hadn't complained that Riva had tried to abuse her. Ronald Riva was sentenced to over a hundred years in jail for his part in the abuse of children here in California. A dozen other men from around the United States received shorter prison sentences. But that wasn't the end of the story. The electronic trail led beyond America to a town in England. Hastings, a once genteel resort town on the Sussex, has more recently become a haunt of men who desire children. Paedophiles have been drawn here by the prospect of watching youngsters on the beach. One of those men was Ian Baldock, a twenty eight year old computer technician. In October 1997 his house was raided by Sussex police. They were acting on a tip-off from US Customs who had found Baldock's e-mail address on Ronald Riva's computer in California. Ian Baldock's machine was examined by the police computer forensics expert. WEBBER: Stored inside it I found an absolutely massive library of child pornography. More than 42,000 paedophile images. This was enormous, it was four times larger than anything I had ever seen before. What I also discovered was that Ian Baldock's computer had distributed 1642 images to17 other Internet users in the six days prior to his arrest. This was a distribution on an absolutely massive scale. CORBIN: For five months Nick Webber probed Baldock's computer. He discovered evidence of an extensive and sophisticated club of paedophiles with its own committee, rules and vetting procedures. It was called 'Wonderland'. The entry fee was 10,000 original images of child pornography. The Club operated out of a secure chat room - a private area of the Internet. To get in the members, known only by screen nicknames, had to pass seven security checks. WEBBER: The main purpose of the club was the exchange of paedophile materials, pictures, movies, information and most appallingly of all - sounds, terrible, terrible sounds. But while they were exchanging the pictures they could sit inside this chat room and exchange information. HINES: Talking was great. You'd make friends, and you'd say 'oh, I found this new picture, this great new picture' and they would say 'oh, what's it called' and you'd tell them and if they had it they'd say 'oh, we've got that one', but if they didn't then they'd say 'oh send it and we'll have a look'. CORBIN: In April 1998 the National Crime Squad, experts in organised crime took over the investigation. From their London headquarters they set up an operation to track down the British members of Wonderland. The full horror of the images in Ian Baldock's computer cannot be shown publicly but their disturbing content, and quantity, underlined the urgency of the investigation. Det Supt (Ret) JOHN STEWARDSON National Crime Squad People don't realise that these images are not just children undressed, romping about on a beach. These images are absolutely hideous on some occasions. The abuse these children have suffered, the worst kind of possible abuse you could imagine. Det Ch Insp ALEX WOOD National Crime Squad I have seen images that are the most horrible – children in nappies being abused; people committing vaginal and anal rape on children as young as six and nine months. These people are serious sexual offenders. CORBIN: The Internet allowed club members to build massive collections of child pornography But it also enabled them to meet others who reinforced the perverse belief that sex with children is acceptable. HINES: People would message me who I didn't know, I'd never met before and they would say 'Trade?' and that was it. If you wanted to trade you would send them some pictures, they would send you some. CORBIN: Sexually explicit images of children? HINES: Yes. CORBIN: Illegal images? HINES: Yes. CORBIN: To most people.. to all people indeed morally wrong. HINES: Well if that's how you choose to look at it, yes. CORBIN: Wonderland's electronic trail led north - to a house in Stockport, Cheshire. Images of a nine year old girl being abused by a man who lived here were being traded in the Wonderland Club. That man was Gary Salt - a former RAF engineer and the father of one of the nine-year-old's school friends. MOTHER: She went round for tea and stayed the night now and again, and that's how it started off. He was a real nice man. It was just the way he just made her his best friend type of thing, and she felt special to him. They just made it up as games and she liked playing games. CORBIN: The kind of games Gary Salt liked to play involved taking pornographic pictures of the girl and trading them on the Internet. The abuse went on for months until one day after school her mother realised something was wrong. MOTHER: She phoned me saying she's staying with him and she's not coming home. She loves him. She loves him more than me and that's it. So I said no, you've got to come home. You've got to come home. CORBIN: The mother threatened Salt she'd call the police if he didn't bring her child back. The next day her daughter told her what had happened at Salt's house. MOTHER: She just said "He's touched my tuppy mum". I just asked her when, where. She just said "In his bedroom when he was taking pictures of me." CORBIN: When Manchester police arrested Gary Salt they found over 20,000 pornographic images of children in his computer. It was a lucky break for the Wonderland investigation - Gary Salt turned out to be a key member of the club. Det Supt (Ret) JOHN STEWARDSON National Crime Squad He was very important because, he wasn't just a member of Wonderland, he was an abuser in his own right and he had images of himself abusing children. So he immediately assumed a very high notoriety within the group. HINES: I suppose he was considered a hero. Somebody who was standing up for what the group believed in who wasn't just mouthing it and saying it, he was actually doing it. CORBIN: Gary Salt has already been sentenced to 12 years in prison for abusing three children. With Salt's computer the police had more up-to-date intelligence on the club and a better chance of tracking them on-line. But they had to be careful, Salt's arrest had already made other members even more security conscious. NICK WEBBER Computer Consultant We worked out a technique where we could actually watch them live on the Internet. So we were sitting very quietly and watching them coming and going into gang headquarters. As they were in effect coming passed us, they couldn't see us, but we were able to back track and find out who they really were. CORBIN: To find out who they really were the police now went to the companies through which people access the Internet, the Internet service providers. From the electronic data they revealed names and addresses of customers holding those accounts. But the police needed to prove who was actually at the computer when the pornographic images of children were being downloaded from the Internet - through the phone line - into the house. Detectives from the Crime Squad moved out across the country. For six weeks they watched 13 addresses where Wonderland members were thought to live. STEWARDSON: It's not enough to know that there's somebody on the Internet at a particular address. It's important that our suspects, we were able to show through surveillance, were at home when the Internet was being used. CORBIN: The original Wonderland member from Hastings was tracked down to Charlbury a village in Oxfordshire. Ian Baldock had been allowed out on bail with no conditions when his computer was seized. He was living opposite the local school. Detective National Crime Squad Ian Baldock would travel on his bicycle and get a train into his place of work. We were able to monitor his movements at that place of work, and when he came out from work we would take him back home again and could ascertain that he was actually using a computer at work and at his home address. CORBIN: Baldock was now working the night shift for a computer company in Oxford. He'd gone right back online into Wonderland and spent hours on the Internet. It was the only life he had. DETECTIVE: We never saw him associating with anybody else. He used to go to cafés on his own, he used to go to bars on his own, and when he went home he never came out again in the evenings. CORBIN: For Ian Baldock and the others Wonderland became an obsession - a virtual community that brought paedophiles together. HINES: Oh it's great the Net - its so fast. Everything is moving. There's always a software update you need for some of the programmes on your computer or something and there's always a new game that you've got from somewhere or new pictures to trade or... It's wonderful. It draws you in, it sucks you in. It's a whole world in itself and it moves so fast. That's part of the attraction of it for me. CORBIN: As the Crime Squad began to build a picture of the members of Wonderland, the danger these men posed to children became very clear. The police had to balance the need for evidence against the risk to children. STEWARDSON: It was a constant risk assessment. We would do it often, where we would analyse whether that particular person, at that particular time, had access to children; whether the intelligence picture around them made us believe it was such that we couldn't actually let them stay at large any longer. CORBIN: Police traced one of paedophiles to a terraced house in a back street in Dartford in Kent. In the club he was known as 'Spankdaddy', in reality he was Gavin Seagars, a twenty four year old computer technician. Seagers had long on line conversations with other members. He was supported and encouraged in his paedophile activities by Ian Baldock. WEBBER: There was a recorded conversation between him and Seagers where Seagers is discussing going down to a local swimming pool and in effect the touching up of 11 year old girls in swimsuits, and Baldock is obviously very pleased about this from the conversation that they'd been having, and he encourages Seagers to continue and asks if he can get more information about this particular potential abuse. CORBIN: As they watched Seagers' online the police became more and more concerned. WEBBER: Gavin Seagars was fantasising about the abduction, the rape, the torture and the killing of children. He was much easier to watch them some of the other members because his presence was almost constantly there on the Internet. I could see him a lot of the time - a very, very, very disturbing person to look at. CORBIN: In May 1998 the police tailed Gavin Seagars to a hut in Dartford. It turned out to be the local Sea Cadets headquarters. Seagars was a volunteer youth leader - in contact with 25 boys and girls between 10 and 18. The police were in a dilemma. Should they arrest him and risk alerting all the other members? UNDERCOVER OFFICER: When we took him to the Sea Scout hut, the heckles on the back of our neck all stood up on end and we were all concerned as to what our next cause of action should be, and we just ensured that whenever he was going to the Sea Scouts that we had the surveillance team with him to ensure that at no time when he departed did he take anybody with him. If at any stage he had had children with him on a one to one basis, or a two to one basis, then our then our instructions were that we were to arrest him. CORBIN: What Gary Salt had done to children in Stockport proved that some members of Wonderland would abuse children to enhance their status within the club. Three Wonderland members actually travelled to Stockport to meet children whom Salt had abused. One of them, Antoni Skinner, e-mailed snapshots round the world as a memento of his visit to Salt's house. STEWARDSON: Some of them travelled to his home address and were pictured sitting on his bed with the children – not in indecent poses but just so that they could get a buzz out of saying they'd met the stars of the movie. That's the sort of mentality of the people we're dealing with. CORBIN: People were actively abusing children and producing pictures for others in the club, people like you. HINES: That's not true, they weren't producing them for others. CORBIN: But children were being abused to provide images. HINES: There were some children... we just didn't see it as abuse. We saw it as there were some children involved in relationships. CORBIN: But the idea that children could possibly want sex is totally abhorrent to everybody. HINES: Not to us. CORBIN: By June, eight months into the operation, the team working secretly out of Leatherhead police station, had tracked down ten UK suspects. But their investigations had revealed up to 180 potential members of wonderland in a dozen countries. STEWARDSON: We could have adopted the attitude, we would just deal with the people in this country, and we could have done it very quickly. It would have all been done and dusted a lot sooner than it was. But, in truth, that would not have been the way to go forward because, obviously, every one of these images represents a disaster to a family somewhere and we decided that we would go forward by getting as many countries as we could on board with us so that we could maximise on our evidence. CORBIN: In July the British police team went to Virginia - to the US Customs Cyber Smuggling Centre. Agents there were now briefed on 90 suspected American members of Wonderland. It was beyond the scope of any child pornography ring ever seen in the United States. It was now the turn of Customs computer expert, Jim Fottrell, to go through the mass of data. JIM FOTTRELL Computer Forensics Expert, US Customs The folks from the UK produced lists of nicknames, email addresses and which country they were located in. So basically, this is the information that we had to work with, and my responsibility was for all of the folks in the US from this bit of information tracking down these email addresses to try to determine which ones were real, which ones were bogus, just going through the list there's about four pages of about 90 different entries for people who's address were in the USA. CORBIN: Customs identified one of the key American members of the club - in St Charles Missouri - with the help of his Internet service provider. He was living in a trailer park alongside several families and working in a nearby store. On line he traded child porn with other members including his own father. His nickname was Bart but his real name was Scott Ahlemeier. FOTTRELL: He was a very popular and very well respected guy. He was a producer. He was actually abusing kids, videotaping it, taking pictures and sharing that picture with everybody else on the channel. That gave somebody great status, so he was definitely one of the few people, the tier one, top shelf people. He was very much revered by everybody in the channel, and you could even see when he comes into the channel people acknowledge him right away. Everybody is sure to say hi to him. "Hey Bart, how's it going, what's new?. CORBIN: And that's because Bart had something special to offer. FOTTRELL: He had something special to offer them. Actionable pictures, new producing, actionable material, he would basically produce stuff on demand. If you want a special request you would talk to him about certain things that you wanted to see him do the next time he's abusing a child he would it for you. GLEN NICK Senior Special Agent, US Customs We had the obvious stereotypical paedophiles, the people that were out scavenging the playgrounds and such, but we also had people that were married and with families. We had an individual who was a professor in the University of Connecticut; we had law students; we had med students; we had people that you would never have suspected of trading in this type of material. CORBIN: William Rosa seemed a respectable citizen - a 31 year old medical student at Chapel Hill College in North Carolina. His training as a doctor included a stint in the children's unit at the hospital. But Rosa was also a member of Wonderland. JEFFREY JORDAN US Customs He could be my general practitioner, he could be my family's GP. I could be sending my boys to him, or my neighbour could be sending their daughters to him. That concerned me. He has access to the whole family as a physician. CORBIN: From the student flat which he shared with his girlfriend William Rosa secretly spent hours at night downloading images. Online he called himself Amy, knowing that other men in the club would trade more generously with someone they thought was a woman. Soon he had 70,000 images of children. JORDAN: I don't think William Rosa would have got involved in this had it not been for the Internet. The anonymity that he used, or thought he had, allowed him to cross that line and enter into this world hiding behind the fictitious name. CORBIN: By now eight European countries, spanning the continent, had been brought into the hunt for Wonderland. In Germany the National Computer Crime Unit was looking for a dozen suspected members of the club. They examined the computer logs, e-mails and images passed to them by the British police. Captain HOLER KIND German National Crime Squad Sometimes it's unbelievable what you see. Sometimes it makes you furious, and especially when there are young children, very young children, who are abused. CORBIN: At a government guest house near Bonn, which had hosted international summits, the police found another key member of Wonderland. In private his nickname was Ultima, and he was on the committee which ran the club. In public he was a civil servant. KIND: Ultima was one German suspect who had very close contacts to the leading characters world-wide, both to the UK and to the US. It was up to him to decide whether a new member would be vetted or would not be given access to the Wonderland ring. CORBIN: By the end of August thirteen countries were hunting for Wonderland members. Not all the suspects had been identified but time was running out. Some in the club were becoming suspicious - secretly encoding their pictures to hide the evidence. Across the world police forces decided they couldn't wait any longer. The club was about to be raided. NICK: The main concern was getting in, securing the evidence, and preserving the evidence, and preventing anyone from California telling one in Italy that 'hey, the police have just run in my door and you should destroy everything you have because they may be coming to your house next'. CORBIN: On September 2nd, over a thousand police and child protection officers in thirteen countries simultaneously raided 105 Wonderland members. In Britain it was 5 am. Eight suspects were arrested, their computers seized. NICK WEBBER Computer Consultant We had their faces up on the wall. Suddenly now these pictures on the wall were turning into real people and a lot of the reports that were coming back from the arresting teams were very positive, they were getting the material, they were identifying the people successfully. So it was a really good day. CORBIN: So what was your reaction? DAVID HINES Grief more than anything. I was grieving for my friends. I didn't know what would happen. I knew that some of them wouldn't be able to accept it and I have found out since that six of them have committed suicide. CORBIN: In Germany at dawn the police closed in on a small village. Another club member, nicknamed Gronki, lived quietly here, with his girlfriend. Like the others, he never suspecting that the police knew about his activities. "GRONKI" Well, it hit me like lightning. I was suddenly dragged back into the real world. Of course I'd always been worried about it being illegal and completely immoral but my had got the better of me. The last thing on my mind was arrest. I never expected to find the police on my doorstep. CORBIN: In America it was still the middle of the night when Scott Alameier's trailer home was raided. Weapons and explosives were found. Child protection officers discovered a home made video of the abuse of an eight year old girl. Alameier's trailer resembled a prison. RODNEY JONES Child Protection Unit, Missouri He had an inner sanctum that he had built up with plywood and a lot of the doors were maybe 4 inches Thick. We found young girls' panties that he had put in plastic bags and had hid down in the duct work. He also had some of these panties laying near the computer where he would sit at and work. CORBIN: Over a hundred computers were seized worldwide. Even for the British detectives who had been involved in tracking down the Wonderland Club, the sheer scale of the child pornography was overwhelming. Detective National Crime Squad We couldn't believe the size. We took a 7˝ tonne lorry to bring everything back to our base. We just didn't realise how big it was going to be. The photographs were unbelievable. They really did disgust a number of officers, and we are hardened detectives and seen a lot of this stuff before, but not some of this stuff. FEMALE UNDERCOVER OFFICER: We had 750,000 - that's three quarters of a Million - different images of paedophilia. Some of them were laughing and yet you knew inside they were crying, and some of them were absolutely sobbing. Det Ch Insp ALEX WOOD National Crime Squad Certainly one series that sticks in my mind is a series that was labelled 'Colby'. Colby would appear to be a child of no more than a year old and the initial images are of a young toddler, a very blond-haired lad, walking in a hallway in nappies. That image goes through some 20 or 30 slides and ends up with the most horrific abuse of the child and certainly, like the rest of the team, I guess that one image probably stays with you and that for me would be the most horrible that I saw. CORBIN: Along with the pictures there were terrible sounds stored on some of the computers. WEBBER: In Ian Baldock's computer there was a voice of a little girl. She sounds to me to be English, probably about 8 or 9, being repeatedly beaten by her mother, and saying "No more, no more". But the beating just continues, again and again and again, and she's crying and screaming. That hit really hard, really, really hard. Took a long time to get that out of my head. CORBIN: The police now began to examine the images for clues which would help them identify the victims. They were looking at the surroundings for any details which could indicate where and when pictures had been taken. UNDERCOVER OFFICER: Through each picture we looked for electrical sockets, we looked for magazines, anything in the wallpaper, anything that would give us a clue as to the nationality, and most.. the majority of them are so professionally made that you can't tell. CORBIN: The National Crime Squad have now compiled a montage of 1200 children's faces from the images. They're on an international database available only to police forces. Det Supt (Ret) JOHN STEWARDSON National Crime Squad If you like we've done the easy bit. We've got the people that were trading this stuff and they've now been dealt with, but I feel that only half the job has been done, because to finish it is to try and identify who these victims are. CORBIN: But only one child has so far been positively identified - an 11 year old Portuguese boy. Rui Pedro Mendonca was abducted on his way to school three years ago and has never been found. Images of him were subsequently traded in Wonderland. Was the image of that Portuguese boy found on any of the computers seized here in Britain? ALEX WOOD: Yes it was. The image was found on the computer of Gavin Seagers who was one of our suspects. CORBIN: It sounds pretty chilling doesn't it - a disappeared boy - paedophiles - computer images? WOOD: The abuse of children is quite horrific. We would know that the club, the Wonderland club, consider themselves to be the cream of paedophiles and we would know that in their craving for new material they would stop at nothing to abuse children. CORBIN: The revelations about wonderland are focusing everyone's concern on the growing problem of child pornography on the Internet. Some British Internet service providers, the companies which provide access to the Internet, carry such material on their networks. Indeed paedophile content is openly advertised on some of the channels knows as "newsgroups". It is through these newsgroups that many of the members of Wonderland first found indecent images of children. WEBBER: This is an Internet news group browsing programme. It allows you to access up to 46,000 different news groups. Here you can see in the news groups we've got a news group called 'Alt Sex Paaedophile', 'Alt Sex Paedophilia', 'Alt Sex Paedophilia Boys... Girls' CORBIN: So it's clearly marked 'paedophilia'? WEBBER: It's clearly marked 'paedophilia' and a simple click of the mouse will take you straight into it and the contents of that particular newsgroup. CORBIN: And what's the likelihood of those contents being, in effect, illegal, images of children being abused? WEBBER: A large proportion of it will be images that are illegal to be in possession of in this country. CORBIN: And that's openly available on the internet? WEBBER: Openly available and clearly marked as such. CORBIN: But why do some of your members carry newsgroups that are obviously to do with paedophilia? Sex.babies - it's obvious what it contains. How can you say you're serious about stopping child porn on the net when this kind of material exists openly by your members. NICHOLAS LANSMAN Internet Service Providers' Association I think it's important to recognise that the actual names of newsgroups do not actually bear always.. or corresponds with what they actually contain and if we took the action of banning all different newsgroups because of a name then we might not actually be banning information that was actually... CORBIN: But it would be a start, would it not, to stop newsgroups that are actually called sex.babies? LANSMAN: Many of them are stopped. CORBIN: But many of them aren't. I mean one of your members, for example, has a dozen of these sites specifically sex.babies, sex.boys, sex.children, pictures.childerotica. What else are those news groups about if not illegal material? LANSMAN: Well as I said, the newsgroups themselves, the names actually don't necessarily indicate what's in them and... CORBIN: But some of the paedophiles that we've spoken to say that they got into this whole business and got into the net because they identified those newsgroups and went in that way because they found a newsgroup called, for example, pictures.child. LANSMAN: I'm not going to deny that these newsgroups do exist and some of them do contain illegal material. CORBIN: Tomorrow a legal process that has dragged on for two years will come to an end when seven Wonderland members in England are sentenced. During that time the men have been on bail, at large in the community. The maximum prison term for their offences is being increased to ten years - but too late for these men who will only receive at most three years and are likely to serve even less. David Hines will be sentenced tomorrow. He thought he could rely on the anonymity of the Internet. He was wrong but there are others who haven't been caught, men who are still active on line. HINES: They'll hide up and then they'll start their own channel and then they'll go looking for each other and they'll regroup, and the group will eventually be as big as it was with new members, with new pictures, and with all of the old pictures which are still floating around out there. CORBIN: The policemen who patrol the Internet still see the faces of hundreds of Wonderland children. They are out there forever. FOTTRELL: A lot of these are the equivalent of movie stars, they're famous, they're celebrities. All their pictures are well known. CORBIN: What is the effect on the children of their notoriety? FOTTRELL: They are going to be.. their abuse is going to continue for the rest of their life. That documentation of their abuse is going to be part of their life forever. CHERYL: The abuse of Cheryl's daughter in California four years ago started the hunt for Wonderland. Cheryl's child - like all the victims - will never escape the memory of her ordeal. CHERYL: It still is unfathomable to me that there are pictures of my child, and videos of my child, that were trafficked, and.. you know.. I mean there's no stopping it once it's out there. They were given varying sentences for the participation and direction of that night when she was molested on line. But her sentence is a life sentence. I mean our child is going to deal with this as a part of her history forever. ___________________ www.bbc.co.uk/panorama CREDITS Reporter Jane Corbin Film Camera Neil Higginson Simon Fanthorpe Peter George Sound Recordists Steve Hubbard Dubbing Mixer Mike Wood Graphic Design Simon Hunt Production Team Karen Sadler Susan Anstee Production Manager Yolanda Ayres Unit Manager Maria Ellis Film Editors Christian Murray-Smith Simon Thorne Assistant Producer Nicki Wilson Producer Ricardo Pollack Deputy Editors Clive Edwards Karen O'Connor 13 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Transcribed by 1-Stop Express Services, London W2 1JG Tel: 0207 724 7953 E-mail 1-stop@msn.com