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Petitioner Gordon Hall told the Public Petitions Committee that organisational change "happens at the thinking rather than the doing level" on 13 November 2012.

Mr Hall was giving evidence to the committee on his "Harnessing the undoubted talent of public sector staff petition" on behalf of the Unreasonable Learners

The Unreasonable Learners want to see a move away from the traditional management paradigm of compliance and targets and put individuals as the primary asset in any organisation.

They believe that there is a waste in the public sector caused by the command and control culture.

The petition asks the Parliament to urge the Scottish government to review the considerable research into the thinking that underpins the approach.

Mr Hall said "we need to be thinking of how we enable the thinking of a whole and not just individual projects".

He also said that a first step would be to "facilitate a dialogue across the whole of our society".

Dr Nicola Richards from the Scottish government said "a lot of the research underpinning it is familiar to us".

She also said that the research had been reviewed and she didn't see a huge amount of additional value in reviewing the research again.

Dave Watson from UNISON said "most public services are delivered by people, so you need enabling management styles" and that it was important to create a framework where people were able to be innovative.

Dot McLaughlin from Improvement Service said "there is a greater appetite and a greater willingness to work together collaboratively to achieve outcomes".

Professor Richard Kerley from Queen Margaret University, Jim Mather from Gael Ltd and Visiting Professor at the University of Strathclyde and Janet Whitley from the Scottish government also gave evidence.

At the end of the discussion the committee agreed that all the guests would meet to continue the dialogue and come back to the committee with a paper.

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