A POINT OF VIEW
The battles in Belgium to form a government and questions over Britishness illuminate issues of identity.
Yes!! Well said. I am a member of The Hartley Companie, a group or medieval reenactors who, strangely, re-enact battles from the Wars of the Roses, 1455 - 1487, (and known then as the Wars of the Cousins) and I can affirm that we meet a huge amount of PC-ery at venues all over the country. One of the most flagrant is being pulled up when we refer to 'England' at this time, and told we should be saying Britain. We get tried of saying that England was the name of the nation - and still is. Britain is a contraction of the political/geographic name 'Great Britain' and refers to the group of islands, one of which contains the nation state of England.
Peter Keen, Chichester England
You are of course completely correct in distinguishing between the English Queen Elizabeth the First and her various explorers who set out in her name and British/Britain.
The Union of the Crowns only came to pass after the death of Elizabeth and the throne passing to James VI of Scotland who became James I of England. For this reason the current queen is actually Queen Elizabeth the first of Scotland!!
Alexander Bisset, Scotland (Aberdeen)
Nice points up until the last four paragraphs. Surely the history that's been outlined, especially in relation to the low countries, shows that there have always been tensions between different groups within the same political units? Exactly the opposite of them "quickly dissolv[ing]".
Then equating a Scottish friend's desire to retire where she came from, with your own parental roots isn't the same thing at all. If the friend had said she'd expected her children to return to where they belong, then it would make sense. Lots of people move to London because that's the main economic centre, but don't intend to spend their whole life there.
Similarly, equating "Britain" with a green and pleasant land that is actually "England" is the attitude that annoys non-English people. And the very same attitude you were trying to distance yourself from in early part of the article.
It just highlights confusion about English national identity, where england and british are conflated. westminster is seen as an english parliament, and british culture is seen as english culture.
John Drummond, Edinburgh, Northern Britain
I take your point on England, but it should be remembered that, in earlier times, 'England' really meant 'England and Wales', as the two became legally one entity in Tudor times.
Craig, Bridgend
Thank you for informing about my country. I do believe however that due to missing historical data (what about AFTER Spanish occupation?, what about the industrial revolution in Belgium, what about the 20th century) your readers might get a distorted view of Flanders. If you would have investigated that period, you would need to conclude that dutch speakers have been considered second rated since 1830: dutch was not an official language, was 'inappropriate' for universities and schools, for administration, for the army (also in WW2), politics,... Dutch was only recognized as an official language in 1898 but it took until 1930 to get a real recognition of the language. As you can see, the 'language struggle' is not a detail in our history. I think if your readers would be better informed on this issue, they would surely understand WHY Flemish people are 'not amused' when foreigners and Walloons insist in speaking French in Flanders. They would understand why Brussels is a Flemish city, and why Flanders wants more autonomy. History has shown that we Flemish people occupied for hundreds of years are open minded and always look for a compromise rather than conflict, but as in every democracy the vote of the majority must rule.
Roel verschatse, oviedo/Spain
"I have to warn them not to try to communicate in French once we get there. Far better to speak English than to risk a tirade of nationalistic anger"
As a Flemish person, I find this highly exagerated. Belgium is far from the caricatural image spread by the media. Most Flemish people do not want to split up Belgium, but simply want more authority on policies that are entirely diffent on both sides of the language barrier.
And as far as religion is concerned, Belgium is largely Catholic (both French- and Dutch-speaking. The Dutch-speaking protestants fled North, (North as in The Netherlands). Mr. Leterme is member of a Catholic party.
And finally, please, Flemish people speak DUTCH. Nobody says the Walloons speak Walloon. Belgium's three official languages are: Dutch, French and German.
L, Flanders
If Prof Jardine is going to set such store in historical accuracy, she would do well to remember that William Blake did not write a "rousing anthem". The phrase "England's green and pleasant land" derives from his Preface to Milton, often called "Jerusalem", which is not an anthem but merely a poem; it was the composer Hubert Parry who wrote the music that transformed it into a "rousing anthem".
Urizen
Nationalism is a fact, pplitically it is a tool, an emotionally it is what defines who we are. I am British and proud of the history and tradition and culture that implies. I am Scottish and ditto. Do I get upset when referred to as English ? - yes I suppose I do. But not from a racially bigotted perspective. I get angry at the lack of respect and knowledge this implies. The Media are the worst offenders - why? Simply because they should know better - it is the British Broadcasting Corporation. A little thought would make a huge difference. Weather forecasting, to ignore the tiresome sport tribalism, is a fine example of lazy reporting - I?ve often heard that there will be rain in the north of the country to find poor Lancashire and Yorkshire getting a deluge while from Dumfries north its sunny!
Simon Cunningham, Glasgow, Scotland
Great piece and I wish the Belgians all the best in settling their current dispute. But we are Scottish and three centuries of artificial political union will not change that.
The UK is a state. Scotland is a nation and therefore my nationality.
Scott Parker, Glasgow
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Your assertion that "the idea that all those who live in Flanders think of themselves as "Flemish" rather than Belgian, or those in Scotland as "Scottish" before British, quickly dissolves into the natural diversity brought about by the constant movements of peoples" is, I feel a little off the mark. I concur that in historical terms you are perfectly correct to refer to Sir Humphrey Gilbert as 'English', but do then extend the same courtesy to those of us born in Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland. I consider myself Welsh first, British second.
Hannah, Oxford, UK
Why can't people think of themselves as part of humanity instead of worrying about nationalities and barriers? - Here's to the future when it WILL be all one world ....
Jennifer Gaff, Lyons; France
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