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Will you sign up for a new ID card?

Manchester is to be the first city where people can sign up for a new ID card, ministers are to confirm. Will you sign up for one of the new cards?


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No I wouldn't spend £60 for ID card... why should we? We have photo Driving licences and passports with photo... why would we need a 3rd form of ID?
Robert Hellier, Reading, Berkshire

Another dead in the water idea, but this arrogant, hopeless bunch will push through anyway despite public opinion.
jim McCann j, Dumbarton

To Leigh in Manchester: your choices are limited if you wish to live in a country that doesn't require you to have an ID card. I lived abroad in my teens (where I had an ID card) then returned to the UK (where I had student ID). It made life simpler, and I'm looking forward to having a British ID card. You don't *have* to carry it any more than you have to carry your bank card, but it makes life easier if you do.
Briony, Oxford

I have no objection to an ID card, when implemented properly and used to its full potential, i.e. incorporating it with the driving licence and social security. But it should be free issued, compulsory, and it should be compulsory to carry it everywhere, or it will have no effect whatsoever.
Dave, Portsmouth, UK

This move will accomplish nothing except waste taxpayer money. It won't save money, it won't help fight crime. Any proper criminal will simply have a fake one produced in the same way that they have a passport. As a British citizen I'm outraged to be forced to carry id in my own country when we're not at war. If the government had policed the borders properly in the first place and not invited such as massive influx of migrants we wouldn't have this problem now.
Giles Hinton, Bracknell, UK

ID cards? over my dead body!!!
anthony

Fingerprints? Is this just a back-door way to get everybody's fingerprints on a national database? Would they then be available to the police? Roll on umpteen miscarriages of justice when innocent people happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'd happily pay for a combined passport/driving licence/ID card (instead of separate documents), but not £60 for this useless extra card.
barbara, Northants, UK

I agree if you have nothing to hide then what it the issue. the fact we have passports which we have to buy, and then we have to buy another means to identify ourselves again. Why! With the governments record on projects this is going to be way over spent and another waste of money when there are more important sectors that need financial help! So are we just funding their expenses or another means of raising more revenue? I am sure the cost will surely rocket ones it has been made mandatory.
Nigel Roberts, Camberly, Surrey

"I have lived in Panama and Poland and had to have ID cards in both places..." Dave Shore, Felixstowe
One a former Right wing military dictatorship the other an ex-soviet vassal state. I think you made your point there Dave.
Paul, Wirral

"I have done nothing wrong, therefore I have nothing to hide." Unfortunately 6 million Jews could have said the same thing during World War 11 and it didn't help them either. Only a totalitarian regime opposed to freedom and democracy would want to keep this much control over it's citizens. When this becomes compulsory, I'll emigrate.
N. Crawford, Bournemouth, UK

It's all been said before so really it's pointless. The only hope is that this lot get thrown out & the new incumbents are true to their word & scrap the scheme altogether. I do not want to sign up for this. Except the Government, I have yet to hear of anyone in favour of this. It is unwanted, expensive and dangerously intrusive. I am a very law-abiding citizen and I have nothing to hide but this is going too far. And the technology will fail and go way over budget.
Jonathan Webb, Hailsham, England

No, unless they were free - no way would I pay. They would be better off spending the money in removing illegal immigrants.
Jim

It really is depressing how many people seem to think this is about a card. It really isn't. It's about the biggest grab of personal information in history. Are you comfortable with every detail of your life being with the government that loses the entire child benefits database and waves classified documents around in front of photographers?
bob, Birmingham

Wow !!.. Its a brilliant idea to save the TIME, by Stopping the Clock. It may be ok, if this card replaces Driving License/National Insurance/Passport.. etc at NO extra cost (Well then this project will be very good cost cutter for government in future as "investment" in that case !). Otherwise I can't wait to have fun in my valet, with DL card, NI card and what not.. a card just to say a "I am a Normal human being.. "
Sathya, London

No ! But I have noticed that certain institutions are making it more difficult when asking for proof of identity by asking for something more that a drivers licence. Pressure for the Government?
Margo Harrower, Boness, Scotland

Government, stop making me do unnecessary things, and billing me for them!! Why don't you, government, do a proper job, and clean up the mess you created with the banks instead.
ordinary citizen, UK

I don't see why we need a ID card, especially as we pay a fortune for a passport. I don't see how it will help crime or fraud. They will find a way to copy them on the black market. Another way for the government to make money!
Barbara New, Sevenoaks Kent

I Have just paid £114 for a new passport. Surly a Passport which already contains a picture, a unique reference number and information related to you is already an ID card. Why not use the existing solution to this problem
I Sampson, Retford, Notts

"The scheme should be scrapped without compensation to the organisations involved and any money saved moved into worthwhile parts of the budget, perhaps even to help reduce the causes of crime by improving education and youth services. Chris, Oswestry"
Beautifully put.
AndyD, Surrey

I recently found out it would cost me about £75 to renew my passport. This Labour Government really thinks I will be excited to give another £60 to get a document that would do what my passport should be able to do? Gordon Brown should think again!
Kay, Essex

The government have successfully lost the private details of millions of us in a serious of high profile blunders over the last few years. Personal details such as addresses and contact details are bad enough, but if they think I'll be providing them with the opportunity to lose my entire identity, including details of my fingerprints and god knows what else, they can think again. I'll be spending my hard earned £60 on a cup final ticket.
Simon Boyle, Liverpool

Will Robert Sinclaire Shand still feel so confident about ID cards when his has been cloned and he is charged with a crime he didn't commit? He will then be faced with 'judicial system corruption'. ID cards are open to theft and cloning, not to mention abuse from higher authorities. Big brother awaits!
Carole Mooney, Greater Manchester UK

I have lived in Spain for many years and have always carried ID, which is compulsory here. It has never bothered me in the slightest and neither is it an issue with other British residents I know here. I feel it provides added security against credit card and identity theft as it must be produced when making a purchase with a credit card or doing a bank transaction - not everyone holds a driving licence or wants to carry their passport around all the time. Of course, no system is infallible, which is why I find the comments about ID not preventing the Madrid train bombings to be quite irrelevant. However, I do understand the reluctance to fork out 60 pounds. A Spanish ID card costs 10 Euros (and a Spanish biometric passport less than 20 Euros).
mancunian in madrid, Madrid, Spain

So Ms Smith believes our information will be secure, who is she trying to fool when she is allowing high street shops to take this information instead of trained officials! Roll on the general election so we can put this white elephant to bed once and for all!
Karl, Oxford

Surely its just a more portable version of your passport, why would I want to pay £60 for that...?
Sarah Parkes, Birmingham

I see no reason why the government needs to have all my details or why I should give them up - I have done nothing wrong and already tell them all they need to know - I want my human right upheld to live a private life. The arguments about terrorism or efficiencies just do not stack-up. The government just does not need all this information about me and as has been said absolute power corrupts absolutely. By going down this route we are giving up much more than we gain. To all those who are willing to give all their information to all government departments to use however they see fit, fine go ahead and do that.........but to all the rest of us who want to live an independent life without a big brother-esque government intruding and demanding to know everything about us let us be free to opt out - why not?
Clive Walker, Marlow

No i will not. its a slow process of becoming one government. a new world order that i will not join.
sam, Coventry

I have no faith that they wont just end up making identity theft easier, and therefore making things worse because people trust them.
nick holmes, Harlow

I would never sign up for an ID card and would consider it deformation of character and against my human rights to even suggest that that makes me a criminal, as it doesn't. What it does make me is someone who is concerned at the governments inability to safely control monitor and keep secure and information they gather. Smith is so obsessed with wasting this money and implementing these pointless schemes she is placing all of our personal security and our national security at risk.
Martin, WGC, UK

The idea of an ID card is an abuse of power by a control obsessed government. Individuals have rights to privacy and this is a huge step in taking that right away. Once that happens, all other fundamental freedoms are diminished or lost, including freedoms of thought, speech, civil rights and assembly. Nothing is gained with such a measure but much is put at risk.
Jimmy, Surrey

Waste of time and money
Evonne O, London, UK

I'll have one for nothing. There is no way I can afford to pay £240 for mine and the cards of my wife and two student daughters. I guess we will have to go to prison when it becomes compulsory. How much will that cost?
Andy, Warrington

ID cards - yes! Payment - no! That's a joke, isn't it?
Shaun, Workington

See Manchester that's what you get for turning down the congestion charge, but don't worry Labour will let you have many more votes until you come up with the right answer.
John Murphy, Warrington Cheshire

What part of "No. Not under any circumstances" does this government have so much trouble with?
bob, Birmingham

"Halt. Papers please". No thanks. And certainly not at a 'competitive' price?!
Bob, Barnet Gate

I have absolutely no problem. Let's face it there is no difference between this and having a biometric passport. When we get them we won't need a passport to travel to Europe, won't need to carry our driving licenses, as we have proof of ID. What is the problem? Yes it restricts our civil liberties, but only those that have something to hide will have a problem. I would sign up for one immediately if I was living in Norwich, and 60 quid is less than a passport.
George Simmons, Norwich

I an against the introduction of ID cards and absolutely will not be signing up to the trial in Manchester. £60 to be scanned, photographed and finger-printed like a criminal? How stupid do they think we are! I think some of the people who point to Europe's ID schemes are misunderstanding the UK proposal. In Europe, the system is to create a positive way to identify a person. In the UK, the card itself is simply the front end of a massive, centralised database designed to hold countless pieces of unnecessarily intrusive information about every citizen. Whilst this might not be dangerous in itself, it's certainly the thin end of an extremely thick wedge.
Oli, Manchester, UK

It is simply another tax and has nothing whatsoever to do with security, like your driving licence it will only be good for ten years then you will have to pay for another one.
John Murphy, Warrington Cheshire

I respond to Robert Sinclair Shand, Wick, Caithness. There is no 'best thing since the passport' That is the point of the passport . That is why we can travel anywhere in the world regulated and safe. Why we need these cards, at yet another cost to ourselves, is beyond comprehension. Lets sum up… you want to take a day off work to be interviewed to be valid for this 'beano club card' and pay the £60 fee for waiting to do so. Get in line because I think it is going to be small wait Mr Shand.
Martin Morley, London

No I will never sign up for an ID card and I am fed up with people assuming I have something to hide because I refuse. This is not a police state and the Government have no right to hold information on me (they already have enough). It was always the case that 'I am who I say I am,' and I will not carry a card to prove it. I have a right to privacy.
E Brooks, Guildford UK

Dave King of Bury St Edmunds, well then we shall install cameras and microphones in every room of your house. After all, you've got nothing to hide. Right?
Matt Stoneham, Cambridge

No way, will I be applying for an ID card when it comes to Scotland. The Government already holds too much information on people and they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are totally incapable of keeping their information secure. It is just another tax being imposed on people. The Government are under the delusion that if you say it's to fight 'fraud and terrorism' then people will be happy with the introduction of yet another infringement on people's human rights. Not any more. Enough is enough!
Helen, Edinburgh

I'm shocked at the majority of comments here. For anyone not concerned might I suggest reading 1984 by George Orwell or perhaps watching the film Brazil. Overreaction you might say, but once these structures are in place they can't be removed, and who can guarantee the morality of a Government in 10 or 20 years time? In the immediate future the primary concern is centralisation of data, and the labelling of this as a fool-proof system. Everyone knows the saying about putting all your eggs in one basket, and any expert will tell you that centralisation is extremely high risk. If someone steals my ID, am I then to get new eyes and fingers? And anyway, coupled with the official assumption that any such data is secure, and even accurate in the first place who on earth would believe me? Seriously, anyone that supports the ID and database scheme can only have failed to grasp the implications of it.
Anon

If the Gov make it compulsory then I don't have a problem with having an ID card. We also have to have legislation to make us carry the card & have clear powers given to the police for officers as to when they can request to see an ID card i.e. stop and search powers there needs to be a valid reason to request someone to produce their ID card. There is no point bringing in the scheme without addressing these points. However the cost is an issue if we also still have to pay for a passport. Why not have an all encompassing ID card that covers basic bio data i.e. photo, name, DOB, eye scan fingerprint etc. This should confirm ID and nothing else. We already have a big brother state as our data info is available to just about anyone so lets not kid ourselves that an ID card would be any more of a risk than we have now. As for the previous data losses, remember it was people that caused the loss of data not the computers that held the data. That can only be addressed by education & training. The liberals would have us believe it is an invasion of our privacy. It's not and if implemented properly it would be the best way forward not just to combat terrorism and illegal immigration but for most crimes.
Bob, Hull

It is unfathomable why Britain would choose to issue an identity card distinct from a photo-imprinted drivers license. Even if you can't drive they could still issue you an "id only" card. Cost would be a tiny fraction of the proposed scheme.
Alastair Stell, phoenix, USA

I already have an ID card. It is called a passport.
Ian, Horsham

The fact that we have to pay for the ID card will put off most people. And if most people don't bother then what is the point?
David Stuckey, Stevenage, UK

Why should I pay for something that I don't need. I have a passport and a photo driving license, that should be good enough. If the government want us all to have ID's they should be free, as they were in World War 2.
Terry Byatt, Lincoln, UK

I am in favour of Id cards but I object to being charged for the privilege of having one, so I won't be applying
ALICIA LEE, Manchester

This government is beginning to look like it has some sort of death wish--how many more disastrous leaks of data will it take to convince them this is a bad idea? And how many billions of pounds over budget will it have to get before they realise it will never work properly? And how many people will have to have their lives ruined when it muddles up their details (confusing innocent people with criminals of a similar name, for instance) before they scrap it as the impractical, illogical, irrational mess it undoubtedly is? The biggest vote-loser since the poll tax.
Mike, London

Digital technology by its nature erodes privacy. Much of the data held on people today is either insecure or even illegally stored, as a recent report has illustrated. Whenever you share your data you need to ask where the balance and responsibility lies in terms of ownership and access to it. So many of the current problems with digital data stems from the lack of this balance. People instinctively feel their freedoms and natural 'rights' to privacy are eroded as a result and understandably are against yet another expensive scheme that continues in the same vein without addressing how they can protect their data from abuse, fraud or state corruption. Until civil liberties and privacy issues are central to digital technology the situation will continue to deteriorate and the cost will be more than economic.
Chris, Newton Abbot, Devon

Let me get this straight, the government has a 'great' idea, we don't understand it then the government makes us pay £60!
Charle, Winchester

"I have done nothing wrong and I have nothing to hide, why wouldn't I want a card? Mike, Manchester"
Obviously not a fan of Orwell.
Avril, Leeds

A complete waste of money. It won't stop terrorism, criminals will fake them, and fraud will carry on. As for having nothing to fear if you've nothing to hide - that assumes the government and companies that have access to this data are also good intentioned and competent. I believe neither.
Spartacus, Nottingham

I totally agree with compulsory carrying of ID, but £30-60? no way, free with your new passport yes, send me one now! Many countries require that you carry some form of ID so why not here, especially non UK nationals?
paul, Manchester

This country is becoming more like East Germany used to be before the fall of the Berlin wall. No! I would not sign up for a New ID Card
John Thackeray, shifnal Shropshire

Should have happened years ago
John Smith, Farnham

Several people have said they have driving licences, passports etc to prove their identity.. So do I, and I expect we'll all be required to produce them to prove our identity in order to get an ID card. That's ironic, especially as if you'll be able to get your ID card at a post office or pharmacy how are they going to check that the documents you give to prove your identity in order to get an "unforgeable" ID card are not themselves forged?? ID cards are a complete waste of money and effort by a government that I'm convinced has more sinister reasons for wanting them.
Pieter Dyson, Manchester, UK

I am from Estonia and I don't think ID cards are such a bad idea. Back home we have had ID cards for about 8 years now and they do seem to make your life a bit easier. Firstly it is the preferred photo ID in the country and the only information held on it is my name, date of birth, personal number (probably similar to National Insurance Number over here). I can also use it as a passport when travelling within EU and as an ID-ticket when in Estonia, the difference to Oyster card though is that I do not have to touch in or touch out so my movements are not tracked. It also allows me to access online-banking securely and all government websites, including electronic voting. Digital Signature option allows me to sign documents in Estonia without me having to be physically present there. Since our national ID cards have been introduced I have not heard a single story about someone's details being lost or misused in anyway and in terms of price I only paid £7 for it. I do not feel that my freedom or privacy has been compromised in any way since our government does not hold any more information about me than it previously did, so as far as I am concerned ID card is the way forward and should replace all other cards and forms of ID - Passport, Driving Licence etc.
Kristian, London

waste of money
anonymous, Oxford

I would be proud to carry a card saying I am British, just as I am proud to carry a British passport. The bonus is that it will help prevent crime.
Adrian Bolt, CapeTown, South Africa

I think that it is a good idea, but why pay? we should have ID cards anyway, but the government should pay for each individual to have one.
Bob Geldof, Southampton

I am totally in favour of ID Cards and I shall therefore be getting one as soon as possible
g brown, Greater Manchester

The government has repeatedly demonstrated its inability to protect sensitive data. ID cards offer few benefits, and any perceived benefits are far outweighed by the enormous cost and huge threat to our personal privacy. 61 million citizens' personal information in one place? Who really thinks that's a good idea? Spend the money on something that will make a real difference, such as more police officers and better training for nurses.
Jon, Berkshire

I have an ID card here in the notorious police-state known as the Netherlands. I also have one from time working in that other bastion of fascism known as Switzerland.
Steve , Netherlands

I most definitely will sign up for a new ID card. Such a card will be so convenient, especially for travel to EU countries. No more passport! These cards will only become a problem if we are forced to have these on us at all times. Be proud of your country and sign up today!
Geoff Ford, Paignton, Devon

ID cards are "the norm" in most European Countries. They seem to work very well and I am not aware of a real problem with fake/forged ID cards. I welcome ID cards as I think they will cut down on terrorism. I would sign up tomorrow for one if I could. My only concern is the price that Senior Citizens will have to pay, especially if they are made mandatory.
Mark Beazley, Swindon, England

I am utterly shocked to see how many people welcome the idea of ID cards and how quick they are to give up their liberty for a bit of false security. You should not trust any third party (including the government) with your biometric data, the potential for abuse is mind boggling. Its a clear sign of how fearful and docile the people of Britain have become and it makes me ashamed.
Robert, London

I am for ID cards if they can act as a single proof of identity, are free and compulsory. I am shocked to read that they will cost £60. What benefit does the ID card offer to the holder that is worth £60? If I was in Manchester I would certainly not pay for a card during a trial so that the Government can iron out all the flaws before rolling this out to the rest of the country. Surely these cards should be provided free or at least at nominal cost.
GRaeme Ingram, Musselburgh

No! Its not a safe and viable system. One may not be able to crack it now but in a few years there will be copies all over the world being made to dupe the system. Why? Whatever comes out of a designers head however bombproof someone somewhere will crack it. That's the way it works always has and always will. Someone please tell JS & the Home Office they are on a complete and utter loser. Besides this is England not some suburb in Iran.
Rays a Larf, PORTSMOUTH

Who has the license to make these cards ?what are the odds that its one of Browns friends and he is getting a big cashback when he leaves office. It is worth looking at all these big unwanted public expenditures, often you find that its another scam like the Tory quangos
thomas, Halifax

I'd have fewer objections if I thought the scheme had any chance of being reliable, but past experience with government databases shows that they are not. Compare with Watchdog's recent coverage of faults in both the CRB database, and the DVLA database. In both cases people's lives have been severely disrupted, or worse. The mindless operatives of these databases always assume that the computer cannot have made a mistake. That may be true, but unfortunately the programs are written, and the data entered by, human beings, who do. Putting all this in one place that will be trusted for everything will make life a nightmare when these inevitable mistakes occur.
Tim Cutts, Cambridge, UK

In general I support ID cards. If these cards are implemented properly and every applicant is properly checked out they can only be for the good. It will cut down or eliminate benefit and banking fraud and may help in the fight against terrorism. It is time that in the UK we know who we have living in this country and what their contribution to our society is. I will have one with pleasure.
PETER MARTIN, East Yorkshire

"I would not have an ID card unless they put everything on to it and merged all the current systems... Just think one card for passport, driving license, health, social services, pensions, births deaths marriage etc etc... Keith, New Milton, UK"
Keith, that is precisely why i will NOT be having one of these cards, or more importantly be forced to hand over all my details to a bunch of nosey jobsworths.
Anon

Of course, as a sleeper terrorist I will be glad of the extra cover it will provide. Well worth the money.
Seamus bin Laden, Kettering

If the Government want me to carry a ID card they can pay for it. As for fraud, unfortunately chip & pin hasn't worked so the fraudsters will soon produce perfect copies.
Mel, Derby

I'm all for an ID card scheme, but they should be free. I live in Manchester but there is no way I am going to volunteer to part with £30 or £60 just to be part of an experiment. Nor do I think that a fee of that level is reasonable if they become compulsory nationally. I've just forked out £20 for a replacement driving licence because my old one was 10 years old. Are we going to be paying for new ID cards every so often?
Keith Evans, Manchester

National security is absolutely essential in this troubled world of terrorism and crime. My wife and I would most definitely 'apply' for an identification card. We have no reason to fear the ID card, as we do not have criminal records or secret lifestyles!
R Jones, Cheshire

There is only one reason to introduce ID cards and that is to require people to carry them. Once that happens it follows that the police can then stop anyone they like with no reasonable suspicion other than that the card is not being carried. Quite apart from the distasteful return by the back door of the suss laws this fundamentally changes the relationship between the public and the police and, by extension, the state.
Paul Clare, Marlow, UK

Sixty quid a short - this is a stealth tax; nothing stopping stealth attacks! No I won't be volunteering.
Shaun, UK

I find the government ridiculous for forgetting about the five identification systems we already have in this country, PP, License, Bills, Birth Cert. etc. If this is meant to cut red tape, and fight terrorism by means of clarity and efficiency, its ludicrous, its pointless, and its unaffordable. Get rid of all the other cards we need to prove who we are if you want, and then bring in universal ID, but it had better be very flexible and secure, because I don't quite fancy ceasing to exist because I left my wallet on the train.
Jacob Klimaszewski, Cambridge, UK

No-one seems to have spotted that these have an expiry date and so we shall all have to pay £60 or more to renew them at regular intervals. It was 10 years before people realised that photo driving licenses have to be paid for and renewed every 10 years - another stealth tax just for living here.
Anthony Wiltshire, Honiton, England

Of course - why not I have nothing to hide - I feel only people who are not honest will refuse. It is a way to stop all the lying and cheating that goes on these days. It would also be a way of doing away with many things needed to be produced as proof of who you are.
David, Brighouse

Surely the first group of citizens to voluntarily sign up for ID cards should be all the members of the Government, followed by the rest of the members of the House of Commons and the House of Lords. Surely none of them have anything to hide so they will all be willing to set a good example? They can always charge the cost of the card to their expenses.
Jonathan Burrard, London, UK

£60? No wonder people are objecting. When introduced in Hong Kong many years ago, of course there was, and continues to be, no charge to the individual. It amazes me how UK society demands identification for numerous basic services and, although a UK citizen, if you are not a local resident and do not possess a UK driving licence and fail to carry your passport everywhere some service providers will not budge, even with a HK photo ID. But £60 for the privilege - only in the UK!
GB, Hong Kong

To get one of these ID cards I would have to prove my identity with current forms of ID which the Gov says are not adequate. What is stopping anyone from getting a fraudulent passport and therefore ID card. Or perhaps a few, depending on how many fake passports I can get. Brilliant, several fake identities all approved by HMG. A terrorist's or fraudster's dream, and a taxpayers nightmare.
Mark, Leyland, Lancs

No chance, especially when this lunatic govt wants to charge £60.00. If it was free then may re-consider. We have enough already.
chris young, garforth

Spain has ID cards, does that mean they have no crime or terrorists. The same must be true of France too. Or is the government's reasoning as twisted and opaque as Jacqui Smith's expenses? The government has done nothing to address the real concerns about the viability and cost of the technology involved, the implications for civil liberties (do they give a damn?), or the actual effectiveness of ID in combating terrorism. I have done nothing wrong, but I have something to be afraid of - an authoritarian, marginally democratic, ideologically stale government. I would rather go to prison than have an ID card.
Paul Haines, Ilfracombe, Devon

We seem to be creeping ever towards a Big Brother state. George Orwell only had the year wrong. Frankly this is frightening.
Darren Lang-Whiston, Rochdale, Lancs

Sixty quid for every man woman and child in the country will raise a few bob for the Government to waste with the added bonus that they can ask for the cards to be renewed every time they run low on funds. Its a tax on existence.
Barry, Manchester

Why is it necessary? People say it will stop fraud, when in reality it will only make it easier for fraudsters as they will only have to have one card and they've got all your info. Having an ID card on you at all times seems like something out of 1984. Drivers license & passport is enough. These cards will not save lives - no more than how much drivers licenses save lives now. These cards degrade humans to numbers and breach basic human rights. Stopping terrorism with ID cards is a joke - a card won't stop terrorists, it will only momentary prevent them before they figure out a way round. What we need to do is use the billions of pounds these things are going to cost and instead use it win the war in Afghanistan and put a stop to all terrorism. If you think 'it doesn't matter, I'm not doing anything wrong' Well do you feel comfortable knowing the now embarrassingly incompetent government has all your personal information on a 1984 style database? What next? CCTV inside every house? ID cards for pets? ID cards for furniture? ID cards for ID cards are only the another step towards the police state Britain almost is.
carl , Eastbourne

No, and if they get made compulsory, I'll relinquish my British citizenship. To address many misconceptions in the comments: this ID card system will do little to address benefit fraud and nothing to address illegal immigration. There's a reason it's called 'illegal' immigration - it's already supposed not to happen. You think 99% of 'illegal immigrants' arrive and work with forged documentation? No, they just do it without any. Oyster-gathering taskmasters do not exactly worry about careful record-keeping. The sole purpose of the ID card system is for the government to collect and centralize a large amount of data on every citizen of the country. The card itself isn't the point, the point is the database of information to which the card acts as entry point. It's the largest breach of the British social contract in the history of the entire nation, and would go down in history as the single worst decision by any British government ever, were it to go ahead.
Adam Williamson, Vancouver, Canada

Is this government completely bonkers? How on earth can it continue with this, given that we are in the midst of a financial crisis. It is also ironic that only people who already have a UK passport (itself the most important ID 'card') should be eligible!
Eddieburnham,

No I will not be signing up for it and the first people to have them should be the Government all members and then those who are bankers CEO those who are rich and do not pay tax in this country and the Royals and people like Brown and Blair and Straw and Blunkett and Smith and see how they feel their rights taken from them and printed on a card which they will have to carry so that then they are stopped and questioned by the police they can show them their card but not everyone in Britain will have to carry one. And how are the poor going to pay £60 for something they do not want and will not carry, but will have to as all information be it wrong or right will be printed on it and on to a huge data base which will be open to those who pay and information will be sold to anyone who can pay and forces in and out of this country as for other EU countries having it well they still have crime and all that we have now the ID card does not protect them it is social control by the Government if we do not have money to keep people in their homes and jobs then we do not have money for this and No I will not be signing up.
Denise Freeman, Merseyside

If the Government want us to have a national ID system in place let them pay for it.
Warren D'Souza, Wokingham, UK

I will sign up but it is pointless - all the baddies wont do it! It should be compulsory as in the rest of Europe. I once witnessed a chav give his name to a policeman as Mickey Mouse - in Italy they just say "ID Card please" - it works!
peter mascall, Grimsby

Yes, the state indeed has the details encoded on the ID card but it is not you who are supposed to benefit from this handy card. The regulations governing it's issue also allow for state officials (police) to confiscate it. When it is compulsory to carry it and to present it in order to obtain doctors appointments, benefits etc, to travel or even walk the streets unchecked, mere threats to confiscate it are often enough to secure fearful obedience. Believe me Comrades.
Suspect Smith, Eymoutiers, France

Ah, so this is how Labour are going to spend their way out of the recession. Brilliant!
Ed, Reading

Absolutely not! And here is the reason - a country full of idiots who can spout things like this: "I have no fear of governments and I don't see why anyone else need fear the Establishment. It is rather the Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, and George Bush mentalities we need to watch - and, the judicial system corruption we have at the present. Robert Sinclair Shand"
Pete, London

So let me get this straight - I'd have to go to Manchester passport office, have an 'interview', get my fingerprints taken, have my photo taken and/or face scanned and pay £60 for it. What? Getting a passport is difficult enough as it is, why bother with the ID card. I don't see what actual benefit there is apart from monitoring UK citizens. ID cards do work on the continent but they don't seem to be loaded with quite so many implications as the UK ones.
gina, Manchester

For those who say they have done nothing wrong and therefore have nothing to hide - I have done nothing wrong but there are things that I want to keep private; medical history for instance, and bank balances and investments. These aren't required to be on the database yet but the legislation allows for more data to be collected and stored. The only countries that have ever had compulsory ID cards have been totalitarian. It makes it easy to gather ethic groups together for "resettlement". I can see the ID database growing into a total surveillance system where all your details including banking and health are recorded. Imagine in twenty years time going to the supermarket checkout and being prevented from buying pizza because your medical records indicate your cholesterol is too high or you having the bottle of wine removed from your bag because you've had your 21 units for this week. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Winston Smith, Airstrip One, Oceania

I will never agree to one! Not in a million years. Isn't this government fascist enough already? A computer with everyone's information and fingerprints is a dictators dream. This government has also stolen enough money from us as it is. This is the last straw when it comes to voting. To me labour, conservative etc have all blended into one.
G.Nelson, Preston

ID cards can only work if the government enforces simple measures. 1. compulsory. 2. It is compulsory to carry. Not even the Labour government is stupid enough to bring this in in one clean sweep and so they drip feed it bit by bit hoping that we will just shrug our shoulders and get on with it. We should be worried about how long will it be before this is tied in with the National DNA database. In a state where you can no longer legally photograph a police officer committing an offence and more and more control on personal data has me more than a little worried. Are enough people prepared to take a stand over this like they did with Poll Tax?
Chris, Warrington

I live in Hungary and used to have a resident's ID card. Since Hungary joined the EU nationals of other EU countries are expected to use their own ID cards. Consequently I have to lug a bulky passport about. An ID card is a minor inconvenience to carry about but after a while it becomes second nature, rather like picking up your keys when you leave the house.
Wesley Paines, Pellérd, Hungary

This should have been done years ago. I travel a lot and I am sick of carrying my passport around as ID. I be the first in the queue !!
Robin Taylor, Altrincham

The pro-ID card entries here on HYS sound suspiciously lame as if they emanate from Labour HQ. There is absolutely no logic to these cards
Olaf, Cornwall

Yes I am in favour of of an ID system, but I'm not going to pay for it, scrap Trident and use that reserve to fund it, after all the ID issue is being sold to us as a tool to fight terrorism
v, Norwich

I will sign up for one. I don't follow the 'Big Brother Groups' who say that our privacy is at stake. They won't have any more information on us than they already have and if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.
Shut up and get on with it!, Cardiff, South Wales

Where's the benefit to the card holder? Why not just use the passport system? What happens if i can't afford the new card? This is a case of "head in the sand" politics.
Scott Cherry, Chester

If I wanted to give £60 away, I'd give it to charity, not to this corrupt government to spend on the votes of immigrants and public sector non-job holders.
Ian, UK

I would sign up tomorrow. Yet again I have nothing to hide.
Terence Lines, Halesowen England

Why does the government not combine the ID card withy a Driving License. Non Drivers could be identified in some way. A photograph and fingerprint data could be included in some way. They need to ensure that the data can not be decoded and the cost should not exceed the current cost of obtaining a driving licence.
IAN THOMAS, Walton-on-Thames, Surrey

ID cards are a complete waste of time and money, especially as we already have plenty of other ways of proving who we are, with this being one more item that can be copied for ID fraud, does this mean the Government will give me new eyeballs when my card is stolen?
Baden Howell, Monmouth

ID Cards no thanks I'm well known in the phone book, banks, bills photo licence etc. so why do we need id cards. They say they to want to see our borders more secure, and human trafficking, organised immigration crime, illegal working and benefit fraud tackled, so why cant they do it. I think this is another tax on all of us. As they said Anyone aged 16 or over in the city who holds a VALID UK passport will be able to apply for the card from the autumn at a cost of £60 and if not it looks like there's another £100 down the drain for a passport. I just up in this country Europe is run by Brussels, UK run by cabbages & us are fed all the crap
Upset, Oxford

No way! I am legal immigrant and I have: national passport with British leave to remain, Certificate of registration with Police (I have to go there every time I change my address or replace my passport) and UK driving licence. I agree with the idea of the ID (it can be a passport only, can't it?), but I don't agree with the level of information taken from everyone. Why do we need to give finger prints to be loaded in the card's chip if there is no way police can compare my real prints to those in the card let say - in the middle of the park around 9-11pm. Are they going to take everyone to the station to check prints? The answer is NO. It is just an excuse to make a huge database on all citizens of UK. How are they going to force illegal immigrants to take those cards? even today police can check a person in the street and if he doesn't have a passport with visa - they are illegal. SIMPLE! Do policemen need an ID card to understand this fact? I am sure not. Government is creating a police state.
Den, Reading

The ID system is going to be great. I have been informed I will have to have 2 cards. How can a system that is meant to id people have the possibility for multiple cards per person and work.
Chloe Cresswell, Grimsby UK

Haha look how Jacqui Smith is trying to sell this nonsense with the word 'convenience'! How convenient it would be to have everyone's personal details at their fingertips eh... SAY NO TO ID!
oh dear not again

Not a chance in hell, by all means go out and get one if you trust this government, but if needs be i will go into hiding or become a stowaway, rather than be a slave to these people
douglas birch, Wigan, England

If you already have either a passport or driving licence, you can already prove your identity to all the authorities without paying extra for an ID card. Anyone, any Labour politician, who tells you or tries to scare you into thinking otherwise -- that somehow ID cards will magically achieve what passports and driving licences can't -- isn't telling the truth. It really is that simple!
Oliver Coombes, London, England

I will not be spending MY money to buy a card to "prove" who I am, when I already have a passport and drivers licence that does the same thing. Furthermore, I don't trust this government to hold all my information in a single database when they've proved repeatedly that they can't even encrypt data on USB keys or laptops when they're leaving them behind on trains.
Gareth, Rugby

Are people going to end up with fines or potentially a criminal record, because they popped to the shop for a pint of milk, had the change in there pocket, but forgot there wallet with there ID card, very Orwellian, very Nazi occupied Europe.
steve,

My friends in Germany and France travel in the EC (including to the UK)on their national ID cards. Will a UK ID card permit me to travel to the EC without a passport too? I bet the UK government won't allow that to happen!
Paul Davis, Paignton, Devon

Great Idea. Stop people wasting police time. Stop petty crime. Discourage illegal aliens. I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear and would sign up like a shot. Your civil liberties were removed a long time ago so there's no point in worrying.
Mike, London

But HOW will it stop ID fraud and terrorism? In which scenario would it have made a difference? Would it have prevented 7/7, the Glasgow Airport attack, Republican paramilitary attacks, any of it? In the respect of ID Fraud, would it have prevented the DVLA and government from misplacing our details? Also, if you want to make something compulsory (initially or otherwise) how can you charge £60 for it? Do you think single parent families enduring the credit crunch have a spare £60 just lying about? It just goes to show how out of touch the government are at the moment - I never post stuff on-line but this article really compels me to do so. Put it to a referendum, even just in Manchester, to see how the public really feel about it. I'm not sure the public and Mr Brown/Ms Smith agree entirely.
Keith, Glasgow

Wouldn't it just be cheaper to tattoo numbers onto peoples arms? Oh wait, I've heard that's been done somewhere before. An interesting case study - South Africans have carried ID books for years, and yet they have the second highest murder rate in the world. The 7/7 bombers had British passports didn't they? This country is walking into an Orwellian nightmare, driven by fear. The only form of ID I will eve need is my passport, when I am forced to emigrate from this nanny state country! PS: Mr Cameron you can have my vote if you promise to scrap this madness!
Robert, London

I have a photo driving license that needs renewing every 10 years, a Passport that is the same, does that mean this other form of ID will also need renewing every 10 years??? If they don't believe who I am from a picture driving license and a passport, what will this card do that's different? If they do believe I am me, why have the card?? Totally pointless unless it's to become an all in 1 card for all other forms of ID
Danny, Manchester

Was involved in a discussion about ID cards today. Not only did all 20 people think the idea was absolutely ridiculous and pointless, but no one even knew someone who did think it was a good idea! By reading all the comments I can only see more negative feedback towards the scheme, as they're not compulsory and cost a bomb I do not understand who is ever going to buy one... certainly not me.
Oskar, Colchester Essex

What is it with this labour government? The things we don't want i.e. ID cards, we get. The things we do want i.e. EU referendum, we don't get.
Roy, Bristol

When hell freezes over, okay when this Nazi government forces me to spend my precious money on this stupid idea, when the police threaten to beat me up, if I don't, they are probably spying on me right now, oh what the hell , I'm emigrating asap.
John Ross, Welwyn Garden City

Mismanagement and careless loss of data. Incorrect information being stored. Pay in excess of £60 + Tax increases for being yourself. No tangible benefits to fraud reduction. No proven link to a reduction in terrorism. Your personal data being sold to 3rd party companies. Wow, why would anyone not sign up. :)
Jon Finch, London, UK

"Everyone" has something to hide. We all should fear these ID cards
Mitch

This is another step to a controlled Britain - think 1984 or Children of Men. If Labour could I honestly believe they would fight for the right to be a dictatorship. This is what Hitler and the Nazi party would have had everyone in Europe having to carry - is this is what it has come too? Imagine eventually a few years.... Having to scan them for every train station you go to, every shop you enter, every new county you cross... This is ultimately what will happen - this isn't for the benefit of us - it is for 'total control'.
Oliver, Hants UK

I have nothing to hide so why would I not want to have an ID card.
Anon

If the government want id cards let them pay for it. From someone who already pays tax, on what I earn, what I spend, to use a car, and even watch TV (TV licence is a stealth tax. Just as this is a stealth tax on your identity) As usual those who do not work and pay no tax will get this for free, and those who work and pay tax will have to spend more of our hard earned money on something we don't want.
Louise Glysen, Thurso, Scotland

There seems to be misunderstanding of what an ID card is and is not. It will NOT replace any of the present forms of identification - Passports will still be required as well as work related IDs. It is purely a means of holding more personal information on one system, run by the government in perpetuity. As it will not be enforced it is a white elephant and will simply act as the new yellow star for those foreigners we consider undesirable. That is not its purpose, but it's what the effect will be.
Iain, Stirling, UK

I will never sign up for one of these stupid cards. a total waste of my money
m archer, Weymouth, UK

I can foresee the scenario..
'Can I see some ID, sir..?'
'Nothing on me, I'm afraid - driving licence is at home..'
'No - your ID Card...'
'I thought they were supposed to be voluntary..!'
'If that's your attitude, I'm arresting you under the Prevention of Terrorism Act...'
David, Cambridge UK

If we have to have ID cards will there be an on the spot fine for not carrying it on your person at all times! Otherwise what's the point of having it!
I Chatmegootsoot, London

I am absolutely opposed to ID cards - useless and expensive
anon, eastbourne east sussex

A total waste of £30+ since Gordon Clown and labour are very unlikely to be in power the other side of the coming election and the Conservatives have said they would cancel the ID scheme
David, Liverpool

Sinister and expensive rubbish dreamt up by an illiberal government on its way to electoral oblivion. Save £5 billion and go for biometric passports. At least you only get snooped on when you travel. Can we have a general election soon please?
gareth, Monmouth

My wife, a foreign national, has recently been given an id card and we have no objections about one for me either. But i would like to know how i can get one for around 30 pounds yet we had to pay around 500 pounds for hers?? Is the government profiteering in these troubled times. They are fast enough to condemn the rip off bank charges!!!!!!!!!!
tony, Dunfermline

So, I go to my local pharmacy or post office, where I am certain everyone is honest and law abiding? How will know if they are? I will give them my finger prints (like a common criminal) and get a facial scan, all so HMG can screw a few more quid out of me. Do I have any human rights to resist this, or are human rights purely for criminals and immigrants? Anyone know the answer. I will emigrate
lizben , Luton

I can't afford to pay £60 on a card let alone any thing else, I don't see why I should need an ID card I have my pass port, Birth certificate, etc what's the point in the I.D card?. It's just another excuse to get more money off us, to make Police work easier and to keep tag of every one. I refuse to give more details to our government as they seem to struggle keeping the stuff they got. What annoys me is I know it's going to be forced on us even though it seems most people are saying no to it we are STILL being ignored and our tax being wasted as always. And it will still get pushed through the back door as normal one way or another! we have no say in the matter do we? If the government wasn't so incompetent we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
yorkshire lass, NorthYorkshire

No I wont voluntarily sign up for ID cards. I've never had a problem with the civil liberties issues. I do however see them as a massive and ineffective waste of money. The money already spent could have been used so much better on improving policing etc.
Mike Rodgers, Exeter UK

Should have been made compulsory for everybody years ago and still should so why is it to be voluntary?
David Gale, Middlesbrough

I have nothing to prove to anyone. I don't need an ID card and I won't have one.
Chris Townsend, Stirlingshire

ID cards are a stupid and expensive idea. I already have a passport, driving license and various other cards; will they refund what I've already spent so I can afford this? I'm quite scared to have my face scanned and finger prints taken, especially since the government loses information. Lastly as a Welshman, I do not want the British government to have more information on me than they need and then to keep it when Wales gets her independence. I for sure will be putting up a fight and standing my ground on this farce.
Iago , Aberystwyth



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