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Sunday, 11 February, 2001, 23:24 GMT
Net porn trader denies abuse
Images of children
Club members 'paid' an entry fee of 10,000 images
A man facing prison for his part in a massive internet paedophile ring has shown no remorse in an interview on BBC One's Panorama programme.

David Hines, who traded thousands of degrading images of children, said he did not see his actions as abuse and denied that children suffered.

Its great the net ... new pictures to trade .. it's wonderful. It draws you in, it sucks you in

David Hines
Hines, 30, will be sentenced with six others at Kingston Crown Court on Monday for his part in the "Wonderland Club".

The international ring of more than 100 perverts swapped nearly one million photos of children and babies being abused.

Jobless Hines, from Bognor Regis, West Sussex, told the programme: "We just didn't see it as abuse. We saw it as there were some children involved in relationships."

David Hines
David Hines traded thousands of pictures
Challenged on the idea that the idea children could want sex is abhorrent, he replied: "Not to us."

Hines told the programme: "Its great the net ... new pictures to trade .. it's wonderful. It draws you in, it sucks you in.

"I had people I could talk to. I had people I could trade images with as well.

"I'd never had so many friends. I had friends all over the world. People would message me who I didn't know ... and they would say 'trade?' and that was it."

The entry fee for new members was to provide 10,000 new indecent pictures - ranging from teenagers to babies just three-months-old - for the consumption of other perverts.

One man from Italy is believed to have owned 180,000 images.

Tracking the children in the images is like hunting a needle in a haystack
The Britons to be sentenced on Monday include Ian Baldock, 31, from St Leonards, East Sussex; Antoni Skinner, 36, from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire; and Gavin Seagers, 29, a Sea Cadets youth leader, from Dartford, Kent.

Ahmet Ali, 30, from Tulse Hill, south London; Frederick Stephens, 46, from Hayes, west London; and Andrew Barlow, 25, from Bletchley, Milton Keynes, Bucks, will also be sentenced.

All have pleaded guilty to charges of conspiring to distribute indecent images of children.

Under present law they face a maximum term of only three years, but a bill going through Parliament will increase the maximum sentence to 10 years.

An eighth man, Gary Salt, is serving 12 years after being convicted in Manchester of rape.

Another member, Steven Ellis, 40, from Norwich, committed suicide after his arrest.

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