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Wednesday, 16 April, 2003, 16:29 GMT 17:29 UK
Your Politics: Lapdancing
Sandra White MSP Glasgow
It's a boom industry. Like it or not there seems to be a table dancing club springing up on every High Street -- and there are plenty of people who don't like it. So is it all harmless fun or the unscrupulous exploitation of women? Table dancing - or lap dancing as it's more commonly known in the United States - involves naked or topless dancers performing for male customers. Strict rules prevent any physical contact with the dancers and the industry claims to be respectable, mainstream entertainment. But across the country, more and more people are taking action.
And they claim women working within them are terribly exploited - a charge the industry and many of the dancers strenuously deny. So far the campaigns have been largely unsuccessful. That's because as the law stands, there are few restrictions on anyone wanting to open such a club - they're licensed in the same way as music venues and nightclubs. So a local authority has little power to restrict table dancing, even if it thinks it's unsuitable for an area. But in Scotland one MSP is trying to change the law so that table dancing clubs are licensed in the same category as sex shops. "I'm very determined to get this through," says Sandra White MSP. "The Scottish parliament was set up to serve the people of Scotland. And people are coming to us and saying they don't want these clubs." While the changes would only affect Scotland, campaigners south of the border are anxiously awaiting the outcome. The industry says Sandra White has got it wrong. Douglas Moffat is general manager of Glasgow's Truffle Club. "Where's the evidence that we are causing a problem?" he asks. "Every major European city has this kind of entertainment. Are we to be deemed the prudes of Europe because of this censorship by the back door?"
"It's entirely up to the individual what they want to do. I want to dance and why should anyone stop me?" But whatever dancers like Missy think, the table dancing industry is under increasing pressure. There have been pickets of clubs in Sheffield and Newcastle, and there are ongoing campaigns in Plymouth, Halifax and Tunbridge Wells. The Spearmint Rhino club on London's Tottenham Court Road is currently fighting police attempts to revoke its licence amid allegations that prostitution took place on the premises. Local campaigners there have vowed to keep up the pressure, staging a demonstration outside the club to mark International Women's Day this Saturday.
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http://www.campaignwomen.co.uk is a coalition of groups organising campaigns against table dancing clubs
Sandra White MSP can be reached through the Scottish Parliament. Or you can e-mail her at:
Are you concerned about lapdancing clubs in your area? Should there be stricter licensing, or do you think the clubs are fine as they are? Send us your comments and we will publish a selection on the website.
The only people being 'exploited' are the customers that go into the clubs with their credit cards & cash. Nobody forces the girls to work & at the end of the day it's an easy way for them to make good money in a safe way. Good luck to them girls.
These types of seedy places I am sure are the root to a lot of the abuse and domestic violence which goes on. I would feel sick to my stomach if I ever thought my husband even thought of going to one of those places. They are degrading to women. Women are portrayed more and more as objects for men. Everywhere you look, be it a magazine a poster etc, there are always half naked women on them. This has to stop. What would men think if it was the other way around!! Naked men pole dancing, naked men on bill boards in the high street. Naked men on page 3...
James Ross, Derbyshire, UK
There should be more relaxed licensing and legalised prostitution.
I can make my own decisions regarding whether or not these clubs are a good or bad thing., but I don't need a priest to make the decision for me.
Society is gradually being drawn down the dark alleyway of permissiveness, licentiousness and immorality at the expense of upholding the right to dignity, respect and decent behaviour. If such clubs already determine that they are offering a desirable and worthy service, why do they need to further intrude on the 'entertainment' scene with increased prominence? Are we prudes? No, we are simply defending decent people from the shallowness and obsessive voyeurism that these clubs generate and the sultry undertones that will increasingly permeate through society. The choice is there for those who want to frequent such clubs, why allow them to further scar the social landscape and demean an already brutalised female population?
These clubs operate under strict rules which makes quite clear to the customers that the dancers are not "available". The dancers control what goes on, they are well paid and are always free to find alternative employment so it is difficult to support any accusation of exploitation. Lastly one should remember that the industry employs workers of both sexes - male strip acts have been widely available and popular for years without attracting this kind of fuss.
If you find Lap dancing offensive, then dont go and watch it, the same can be said for many issues, such as hunting and other controversial issues. Its always the way that a small group of people take it upon themselves to decide how the rest of us should live our lives!
The double standards are astonishing - I have yet to see a campaign to prevent the demeaning and unscrupulous exploitation of the Chippendales.
While women are able to cope with the sight of naked men, five minutes in a table dancing club will, apparently, turn a rational man into a danger to women.
The greatest problem with the campaigners' arguments is that no-one is coerced or forced into table dancing. The dancers choose their job, just as they might choose any other occupation.
Jennifer Drew, England
I
believe that while we should not try to stop the existence of lap dancing
clubs altogether (they will exist as long as there is a demand for them),
the proliferation of these clubs across our cities in recent years is a
reflection both on the changing attitudes in society and the lack of control
placed upon these venues by local government. My view is that this kind of
thing is ok in the appropriate place - but not in the heart of our civic
centres.
There needs to be some control exercised, not from a moralistic standpoint
but from a sense of maintaining a balance, and knowing what is appropriate
and where. Otherwise, the local authorities can be seen as endorsing the
proliferation of a culture of sexual excess, and a decline in respect for
women in society. What kind of message does this send to younger people and
to visitors to our city?
Andy, Scotland
Table Dancing, or table side dancing, is not the same as lap Dancing. Glasgow has a number of clubs of these differing types. To the best of my knowledge they are all in the city centre with very few, if not no, local residents who could object. The women who work in these clubs can make good money and the men that go there do not necessarily treat all women as sex objects. The news item appeared to by biased towards the extremely small number of feminists who seem to be against women expressing themselves and taking advantage of men who are only to willing to hand over lots of money to them in order to have a lap, or table side, dance.
Table/lap dancing clubs provide entertainment for adult males. If individuals don't want to see that sort of thing, they have a choice. Don't go!! I've had enough of people interfering with what I can and cannot do in my spare time, with the money I've worked hard to earn. We are in the 21st century now, and wherever you go across Europe, you will find adult entertainment for those who want it. Why should the UK be different because of a few prudes ?
Graham Beer. Nottingham
I am writing with regard to your feature on 'Lap Dancers'. I am a 35 year old woman who would love to try lap dancing! What is the big deal about it anyway? It is behind closed doors with signs that tell you what is going on in there, if you don't like it don't go in there!
We have a club very near us and we have never had a problem! In my opinion they should live and let live! I live in Aberdeen, and we now have a lap dance club here in the city. I find these places to be against everything that I believe in. My husband shocked me when we heard on the News about the subject of lap dancers, he said that after seeing what it was like in Berlin, were he served with the British Army, he doesn't want Scotland/Britain turning bad like most European Capital Cities, I must say that not all men think these places are useful, in his words they are degrading for the woman who work there. In my opinion if this is allowed, what is next - sex shops - we must consider our children in all of this, with everything else going on, do we need more obstacles for us the parents.
Tim Cockhill, UK
Lap dancing clubs are very respectable. No woman is *made* to take their clothes off - as far as I know all the ladies there are doing it because of a choice they have. I have been many times, and it doesn't encourage me to get into prostitution or suddenly start attacking women in the street! The people clearly want it - hence why it's a 'boom industry'. Why do I go? I appreciate the female form and enjoy the attention of a one-to-one experience. Before any woman makes a comment, I invite her to reflect if she's ever seen or been interested in seeing a male stripper! Not even for a hen night?
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