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Thursday, December 11, 1997 Published at 14:56 GMT Talking Point Do you eat beef? : Your reaction <% ballot="36688" ' Check nothing is broken broken = 0 if ballot = "" then broken = 1 end if set vt = Server.Createobject("mps.Vote") openresult = vt.Open("Vote", "sa", "") ' Created object? if IsObject(vt) = TRUE then ' Opened db? if openresult = True AND broken = 0 then ballotresult = vt.SetBallotName(ballot) ' read the vote votetotal=(vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes")+vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no")) if votetotal <> 0 then ' there are votes in the database numberyes = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes") numberno = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no") percentyes = Int((numberyes/votetotal)*100) percentno = 100 - percentyes ' fix graph so funny graph heights dont appear 'if percentyes = 0 then ' percentyes = 1 'end if 'if percentno = 0 then ' percentno = 1 'end if else ' summut went wrong frig it numberyes = 0 numberno = 0 percentyes = 50 percentno = 50 end if end if end if %> Votes so far:
Beef possibly, lamb where's the proof, you shouldn't destroy peoples
livelyhoods without very serious proof, until you do best to keep quiet.
Brussel's appears quite wicked in releasing unsubstantiated scares.
What I eat and drink (and smoke for that matter) is entirely up to me, smoking
is bad for you but we are warned about this every time we pick up a packet,
why not stick a government warning on beef ? and on eggs, chickens, water and so on .......! I eat beef and will continue to do so. Maybe I'm being foolish but I just
feel that throughout my life their will increasingly be health scares about
everything. I feel dreadfully sorry for the families of the victims of CJD,
but feel I'm more likely to die from the cigarettes I smoke or from a car
crash than eating a nice T-bone steak.
The risk of CJD is very small. 100,000 People die each week from heart
attacks, cancer or road traffic accidents, but only a handful of CJD victims have been found, lets get our priorities in order.
You have the same problem we have with the government trying to protect us
from ourselves.
Has the government gone mad there is a 1 in 600 million chance
of contracting BSE and they want to ban beef on
the bone? Can they not understand
that they are not there to
play nanny to the people? Why not ban
cars, after all I am sure most
people have got more chance of getting
hit by one!
There is too much scare-mongering over this subject. At chances of 1 in 600
million of catching CJD surely the livelyhood of the farmer must come first.
As an informed adult, I prefer to make up my own mind about the risks involved
in eating beef on the bone - surely it is everyone's right to take such
decisions without over-protective politicians intervening. We are all going
to die of something - at least let us enjoy the pleasures of living.
The simple fact is that British beef is probably safer at this point than any
other beef in the world. We can't be sure about foriegn beef, but we can be
sure that beef here at present IS safe.
I haven't eaten red meat for over 15 years. A good choice noting the bad press meats have received in the past years. I don't miss it at all.
I agree with Richard Weston's views exactly. Neither I nor my wife eat red meat, I stopped 15 years ago and found I didn't miss it, in fact I feel a lot better for it ! The thought of slaughtering God's creatures, these noble animals I find totally
unecessary, especially as tons of beef is wasted.
Yes, I eat beef. It is not for government to decide what I eat. There is much,
much less risk from eating beef than from smoking cigarettes (or cannabis,
which I am sure a lot of the trendy veggies would like to legalise). As an
adult it is up to me to decide what risks I take in life, otherwise there is
no freedom for the individual and we have surrendered to totalitarianism. The
trend in the UK to restrict peoples freedom is very worrying.
If CJD is the Human form of BSE, and BSE is the bovine form of Scrapie
(carried by sheep). Why is everyone concerned about Beef but not Mutton?
Scrapie has been known to affect the brain of sheep for hundreds of years, and
yet you can still buy a neck of lamb.
Personally, I feel it is a decision for the individual, much like whether you
choose to be a vegetarian or not. The problem is that this is just another
government health scare, much like eggs - which are now good for us again.
We cannot win the war against scaremongering, but we can choose to eat a
healthy balanced diet containing, in moderation, all those items which we have
been warned about over the last 20 years. I really believe that your metabolism decides what you can and cannot eat, not the government.
I have seen the comments stating that we should be allowed to decide whether
or not to put our own health at risk. That is a very INCONSIDERATE and
SELF-CENTERED attitude unless one is a monk with no remaining relatives or
friends. And who will pay for your medical expenses if so disabled??? Why
play Russian roulette with a fork?
Why should any ban apply to ORGANIC meat - I don't think there has ever
been a single case of BSE in an organic herd - so why mess about with
this (pure!!!) part of the market and let us get on with eating decent
food.
Legumes are fine for those not allergic, and fish, poultry, etc. are fine for
the wealthy who can afford them. Beef is an inexpensive, low-allergy protein
that will always have a place in the human diet. I wonder how many of the BSE hysteria-mongers smoke....
Hysterical panic with no scientific evidence. There is nothing more
enjoyable than a tasy steak. Ignore the fears of the politicans.
I have eaten meat all my life and I ate meat out of English butcher shops for
8 of those years. I believe that the ban on meat off the bone is completely wrong.
Please don't go overboard with the ban, for your thoughts on this issue are
wrong. Look a little more closely at the way the animal is raised and what
their diet consists of.
I think that the ban is foolish, and unjustified. Measures have been taken to
make the industry a lot safer since the last BSE scare. It is likely that if
people are going to catch it, then they have already got it. Stopping eating
beef on the bone now will not make any difference.
A search of the medical database Index Medicus (online version MEDLINE) using
the keywords "meat" and "carcanoma" will confirm a corrolation between meat
eating and cancer, just as there is a correlation between smoking and cancer.
I suspect that because of powerful vested intersests, the message has not
gotten through to people. I predict that one day meat eating will be regarded
in the same way as smoking is now. The best way to avoid BSE and other
similar
illnesses is to become a vegetarian.
It's obvious from all these comments that the Government are right to alert us
to these latest findings, but they should let us make up our own minds.
Some people will stop eating beef again for a while, others figure that the
damage was done years ago, and it's no use locking the cattleshed door now.
I, for one, am really happy with the efforts that have been made to eradicate
BSE from the national herd. The beef I buy now is cheaper and in better
condition than ever.
Those who are scared don't have to eat it, just as they don't have to smoke,
take drugs, drive cars...
As it goes, I don't eat meat on the bone, but this
is nothing to do with CJD/BSE fears. Seeing as
people have eaten huge quantities of
Beef in the past and there are few cases of CJD
then what's the worry ? More importantly, surely
the government should not be banning it, just
informing the consumer of the risks, so they
can make the decision. If we were to ban
everything that could lead to an illness, there
would be no food left on the market !!
Whilst many people have been quick to condem the government for what is
referred to as an "alarmist reaction" a risk is a risk and whilst so little is
known about this disease I applaud the government for acting on a possible
public health risk.
I figure if I was going to become BSE infected, I probably would have done
so by now so am continuing to eat beef.
I was under the impression that the government's cattle incineration program
was meant to have removed all BSE infected cattle in the UK. If this is not
the case, is the recent banning of 'beef on the bone' an admission of guilt on
their part? Is this also a bit of a poor step by the government, as it gives the other EU countries more ammunition against British Beef?
Considering the sheer volume of beef consumption in this country and given
the very low number of CJD cases each year, I find the alarmist reaction to the
BSE crisis quite unjustified.
I eat beef every day. The meat comes from animals that the village butcher
selects himself and so I feel perfectly safe eating any cut of beef. The scare
stories in the press don't worry me at all!
Enough's enough! I have always eaten beef my family have always eaten beef, my
children eat beef, my parents eat beef, my brother in-law farms beef... and so
it shall continue.
What does "around the bone" mean - does that mean only the layer actually
touching? Or has it been determined that a half inch or three inches away
from the bone may also be infected? Come on guys, don't scare us if you don't have any specifics!
How can the Government ban beef on the bone but continue to back the selling
of cigarettes. Obviously, it's because of the income that tabacco gives them but this is ludicrous. I'm an adult, and should be allowed to eat what I choose to.
You can't beat a good rib of beef for Sunday lunch. Labour.....get your act together.
I stopped eating beef when I first heard of the outbreak in 1989. Despite
government interventions to reduce the infection rate of CJD, I think there are
some things that still need to be answered ....like is there a direct link
between BSE and the human equivalent CJD . Until the government scientists can
confirm that there is no link at all then I will remain sceptical as to the
safe consumption of beef products.
The evidence presented thus far appears to indicate that the danger has been
in eating beef prior to today.Therefore, there seems little point - other than
political expediency - to the ban. The government reaction is somewhat at odds with their condemnation of the previous administration for taking similar action on such occasions as the salmonella in eggs scare????
Cows with BSE, sheep with Scrapie, chickens with Salmonella, pigs with Foot
and Mouth, turkey with cranberries. I'm going to eat the dog instead. Bon Appetit.
I eat beef, but I expect a guarantee that it is safe.
This government is to be congratulated for at
least acting positively in an area where the last
government dragged its feet in an effort to
appease vested interests. As for farmers, I can only marvel that an industry
responsible for one of the worst health risks in
recent years should expect any sympathy from
the public. Greed was responsible for this crisis,
and the farming industry must take the blows.
The reaction against a piece of unscientific scaremongering about bone marrow
is a further capitulation to the "precautionary principle" that it is better
to be safe than sorry. If we lived life on the basis that we might be at risk,
we would never get out of bed in the morning. Is this a case of the government
seeking credibility by claiming to protect us from risks which are
imaginary, in the hope that we are stupid enough to expect to get BSE from Oxtail, or are they so ridiculous as to think that the risks are real?
I think that the public is now aware of the possible dangers of eating beef.
Is the banning of beef on the bone, based on seemingly meagre evidence, a sign of the Nanny State in full action? Should sex be banned because a participant could (and is more likely to) die of Aids?
I am fed up with being told what not to eat - I shall do as I want and eat
what I want when I want - including British beef, with and without bones.
It seems both futile and somewhat extreme to allow sale only of deboned meat,
for several reasons. I will list just three:
So - beef with the bone in is unsafe. But beef
without a bone - but which was once attached to
same - is fine. Er - anyone else find that hard to
accept? And haven't the beef producers been
emphasising for some time now how all their
meat is from BSE-free cattle less than 36 months
old etc etc? In which case, there's nothing to
worry about anyway . . . is there?
It's about time we stopped talking about the infermities of beef and started
enjoying a juicy steak. I am fed up with all this confusing information which
has not diminished my pleasure in eating beef every day. I think we are taking
things out of proportion - let's worry about the real problems that we and our
kids have to face such as drugs, alcohol, violence etc.
This ban is politics, pure politics.
I am shocked that this government
can throw away livelihoods on
the whim of appearing tough. It's
a black day when a farmer that has
never had a cow with BSE can't
sell the meat because it's on a
bloody bone.
I stopped in 1989, since I heard about BSE.
No, I'm vegetarian, a decision that looks more attractive every day.
The UK 'nanny' state has now
gone TOO far. How's about
a ban on crossing the road - far riskier
than eating British beef,
with or without the bone.
Whats going on! Can we beleive the government this time? Do they really know
the truth?? I am still confused.
If I personally do not eat beef, meat, or poultry it's not because this is a
political, social, or health issue, but in my opinion this is a philosophical
issue. Why do I have to drive a car if cars contribute to the pollution of the
environment, why do have to eat meat, or poultry knowing that an animal was
killed to feed my need. Once again this just confirms the fact that meat
consumption is not always necessarily problem-free.
I fail to see the point in this ban - surely whether the bone is present or
not
makes little difference - after all we don't eat the bones do we (is this
really a bill to help dogs)? On a more serious note this is going to cripple
a
lot of farmers that I know - many who have already been put under severe
hardship by the previous government's terrible handling of British beef.
55 Million people in Britian and a few get sick
from infected beef....everyone stops eating beef
everyone is scared, what about smoking or
driving, look at how many that kills each year,
Oh gosh so many killed by cars !! lets ban them
stop driving !!" Come on Britian get real.
Either beef is safe or it isn't. If BSE can be found in nerves near the bone,
what prevents it from getting to other parts of the nervous system. I assume
cattle have nerves near the skin. How will the consumer know how close to the bone the butcher has cut the meat?
Will we have a grading system 1cm cut, 2cm cut etc.?
Is it any wonder that our European partners have little or no faith in British
beef?
I'm confused. They keep changing their minds. Just what is safe for my child
to eat ?
First off, there was a media scare when it was suggested that eating
beef might cause CJD in very rare cases. Now the government over-reacts
in an almost comic fashion to an ever less certain suggestion. Why can't
the government just say "We haven't got a clue but we're terrified of
being accused of acting too late"? Or more usefully: "Here are the
facts; they're not nearly certain enough to start banning people from
eating what they want, so make up your own mind, remembering that the
only significant danger occured a decade ago"?
Surely this is closing the door after the horse has bolted, as the incidence of
cases of bovine bse have fallen dramatically in the past 2 years. If the risk
of infection is there the likelihood is that a significent proportion of the
population has already been exposed. If compensation levels were increased and
disposal methods improved the UK herd could be declared bse free sooner which
would surely be the best long term solution for all interested parties and the
public as a whole.
This whole mess needn't have happened if the last Government had not acquiesed
to the big feed companies and let them reuse cattle and sheep offal in feeds
that would have fed these animals. It is a gross abuse of nature herself to
feed natural herbivores animal remains. This is Mother Nature's revenge on us
for abusing her. Heed her warning or humanity will cease to exist within the
next few hundred years.
This is another unfortunate example of what happens when too little money is
invested into research on BSE and other prion diseases. With enough funding,
we
would have known enough about BSE and CJD to make informed decisions several
years ago.
There is nothing wrong with eating beef. I've been eating beef for many
years, it is as safe as any other meat, probably safer.
If the government is to ban beef on the bone, what about all the products that
contain beef bone, or gelatine as it is more commonly known. Is the only
gelatine used now from pork?
I do not support the ban at all. NvCJD (the human equivalent of BSE)
has killed so few people that the risks of contracting the disease are
negligible.
Due to the long incubation period, it could be that the existing ban on offal
could be enough to prevent many new cases.
Another interesting point is that the existing bans/restrictions
only apply on beef from British cows.
I find it highly unlikely that Britain is the only country in which both
cows can suffer from BSE / humans from nvCJD, so why aren't other
countries imposing restrictions on their beef?
There is no scientific evidence after 10 years of BSE that it can be found in
any other parts of the animal other than the spinal cord. The ban enforced in
1989 eliminated that fear. The current scaremongering seems to be led on
people who have the ultimate aim of wiping out every butcher in the land.
Beef
is safe to eat and I for one will completely ignore the current warnings.
Govt. should publish pertinent scientific data rearding this issue and let the
public decide weather they want to eat meat with bone or with out. Second govt.
should investigate if this is a saboutage technique of some market
compitetor.
Having read the other comments, I agree that the real risks were taken
troughout the 80s and early 90s, when it was all 'safe'.
I must admit that I started to use turkey mince in favour of beef as soon as
the connection became apparent in my mind - a long time before the previous
government admitted to it. I do have a couple of points to raise:
Given that the symptoms of BSE appear so late on in the disease's life
cycle, how are victims supposed to seek compensation? If indeed any is being made available! Am I correct in assuming that cattle on the continent are showing signs of BSE? If I am correct, what is the EU going to do about this, and where
will we be able to buy safe beef? The question is not one of Britsh versus A N Other's cattle products, or any other product for that matter, IMO it's a question of how well food is tested before being deemed fit for human consumption.
If beef on the bone is not safe to eat, then what precautions are being taken
to ensure that when it is removed from the bone all the infected sections are
not still attached? I have eaten beef all my life, and will continue to do so, and feel that this
ban will only serve to scare people and ruin our beef industry.
Why allow beef from other countries where no checks are being carried out, but
ban us from eating our own, when our checks probably make it the safest?
It's about time that the people with the power in these issues, usually the
government, realised that scaremongering is not the way to go, and that they
need to be a lot more constructive in dealing with issues such as this.
I strongly suspect that vested interests in the food industry are intent on
moving people from beef that can be bought relatively cheaply, and cooked
easily in the home to vegetarian options that are usually purchased as 'added
value' products eg. the awfull Linda MacCartney range of reconstituted
sawdust! First there was the "It's unhealthy", when that didn't work, there was the
"meat is cruel" propaganda circulated in schools, now they have hyped the
risks associated with a disease that, if anything was casued by.....the greed of the
food industry. (This is where I came in I think!!)
I try not to, because of all the artery-clogging, and persicide-ridden
carcinogens.
I think that the BSE scare is worrying but I will keep eating beef because I
like it and if I was going to get CJD, I would probably already have it since
having eaten beef my whole life!!
We should do everything possible to make our food safe.
Beef is safer now than in the past. Sheep with scrapie have been consumed for years with no ill effects.
England is perceived to have the highest levels of BSE in Europe, and yet we
have been exporting beef, to the rest of Europe for years. Does nobody else find it suspicious therefore that countries like France and
Italy, who have clearly been exposed to British beef, since the beginning of
the problem, don't claim to have anything near the level of BSE that you would
expect from such an exposure?
My question is this. What is the real motive behind the governments most
in favour of banning British beef? Do they really have consumers' interests at
heart, or are they infact just trying to sabotage a farming economy which is
otherwise much healthier their own?
I eat beef, but only when it's the only thing on offer - and one certainly
doesn't eat mince or burgers. Since the government keep on having to admit to
new risks posed by BSE, either by theories explaining cow to cow transmission
or cow to human transmission, then why don't they bite the bullet and cull the
national herd, bill the taxpayer (and our Euro chums) and chalk it down to
experience that you don't feed vegetarian beasts ground up sheep! May be then
the UK farming industry will have a chance, otherwise it'll suffer the slow
death of the beasts that it inadvertantly 'poisoned'.
British farmers should
take a higher profile
stance on this issue,
French farmers would
never allow themselves
to be put out of business
in this fashion.
Beef strikes again!! People should take remedial measures, instead of
cursing the Government. After all, what can the government do ? We should take
precautions ourselves and inculcate this in others around. Many unknown
diseases also, exist - so why blame JUST beef!!
I've never felt any reaction. I think beef isn't bad for health.
No - I care about the environment, our ecosystem, its animals and my health.
I don't eat people either, not even meat-eaters (it avoids crazy-people
disease). Hmmmm.
It sounds ridiculous that meat that was attached to the bone can all of a
sudden become edible, go for it have a good T.BONE.
It is very worrying. What about milk? |
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