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Should youngsters be branded neds?
Ned from the BBC's Chewin' the Fat
The term 'ned' is hurtful and disrespectful to young people, according to a Scottish Socialist Party MSP.

Rosie Kane is calling on the Scottish Parliament to condemn the use of the word, which she compared to ageism, sexism and racism.

The former youth worker has been backed by the charity Children in Scotland, which believes that the expression helps alienate youngsters from society.

We asked you whether the expression was insulting to young people and should be discouraged, or if you thought the word was appropriate for a section of society.


The following comments reflect the balance of views we have received:

Neds have as much a place in the history of British/Scottish youth culture as Mods, Rockers, Punks, Casuals, New Romantics, Indie Kids, Goths and the like - cultures which are usually typified by the clothes that they wear and the music they listen to.

That is not to say I condone the typical actions of neds which usually involve petty crime and abuse of some sort, just to get a teenage thrill.
Ross Smith, Scotland

Can we get on with running the country now?
Tam, Scotland

Perhaps the SSP will also refrain from their abusive, hurtful and inaccurate term "fat cats" which is used by them to in exactly the same way as she accuses others of using ned.
Des, Scotland

On the day that we hear that 17,000 criminal cases are dropped through delays and that the Parliament building cost has soared another 37 million overnight, Rosie Kane makes it a priority to ban the use of the word 'Ned' - does SSP stand for 'Some Sense of Priority' ?
Ramon Russell, Scotland

Can we get on with running the country now?
Tam,
Scotland

Rosie Kane has succeeded in doing exactly what she wanted! Namely getting her name on the front pages! Stand by for more of the same.
Bob, Scotland

As ever I blame the parents and our over lenient attitude of schools whose discipline has been emasculated by goody goody government policies. Rosie should be concentrating on the victims in the poor housing estates and lack of police presence in these areas rather than trying to rename neds to confuse the unwary.
Paul Johnston, uk

As an Englishman in Edinburgh I think it is a fine word - very descriptive - ban it? Certainly not! For far too many Scottish youngsters it's a job description!
Mike Askew, Scotland

I think that if we keep condemning words that people use day in day out, it will eventually become ridiculous, as people in professional positions will not know what they can or cannot say! It is democracy going mad!
Roy Gardner, Scotland

Rosie talks about 'disrespect', well what do these abusive lay-abouts know about respect?
Alvise, Edinburgh, Scotland

Rosie Kane. You were elected to parliament to deal with real issues. Stop wasting our tax money. It is little wonder the Scottish parliament is ridiculed.
Steve, Edinburgh, Scotland

Put a ned into a tuxedo, and he will still be a ned
Mike,
Scotland/Japan

I agree with views already expressed. Instead of feeling sorry for these people and saying that they don't deserve a brand name, the real issue is to directly tackle the issue. I live in Glasgow and the situation has NEVER been as bad as it is now. You cannot go two streets without seeing a 'ned' who makes you want to cross the road.

I do not feel safe from them. I hear them on buses talking about going into town ONLY to find someone to fight with or stab. This is obviously while they are slurping from a bottle of buckfast and more often than not abusing the people sitting around them. It is NOT all young people who are being called neds. It is a very distinct group who REALLY need to be kept under control.

Something has to be done about this problem soon. I'm all for on the spot fines and MUCH tougher policing of them. They are scum. Simple as that.
David, Scotland

My daughter (12) and her friend (11) were spat at, sworn at and generally intimidated in the High Street in Edinburgh by a gang of the very type of JJB sports-wearing goons Rosie Kane is asking us to respect.

The reason for this harangue? The girls were wearing black baggy clothes and Nirvana and Foo Fighters T-shirts. "Ned" is far too polite a word for these people.
Neil, Scotland

In Japan, we have young people, but we don't have neds. I think it would be more valuable to discuss how to rid Scotland of these (usually) uneducated, anti-social creatures that disturb the way of life of most of us. Neds are clearly distinguishable from "young people" because of their actions, not just their dress code. Put a ned into a tuxedo, and he will still be a ned.
Mike, Scotland/Japan

I am a Scottish Socialist and a confirmed nedist. Rosie Kane can take a run and jump! The term NED is not to be compared with racism or sexism. The term is used to identify the Burberry Cap wearing, litter throwing, abuse shouting, swaggering delinquents that try at every opportunity to mar everyone's environment.

I am a nedist because they offend law-abiding citizens of every town and city in this country. And if Rosie Kane wants to compare that to racism or sexism I would like to see her attempt at a logical argument.
Bazza, Scotland

In my experience the people who end up getting labelled neds are generally hurtful and disrespectful to others
Stu,
Scotland

What is the SSP coming too. The word NED is not offensive, it's part of Scotland history. If they try and ban this word are they also going to ban 'Gonna no dae that', i think not. SSP - get a life........
Paul Callan, Scotland

Youths who are described as neds bring it upon themselves. A ned stands on street corners, wears clothing in a way that can be described as a "uniform" and makes the area he/she lives in feel unsafe if not necessarily trashing it.

The SSP is simply pandering to its own constituent supporter. It is time society stopped taking an apologetic view of these people and started tackling their anti-social behaviour head on. I was born and raised in Pollok, Glasgow and to me a ned is a ned is a ned.
Mark Cuddihy, Scotland

The term ned is certainly hurtful and disrespectful to young people. However, in my experience the people who end up getting labelled neds are generally hurtful and disrespectful to others.

Being a ned is not necessarily a class thing. There are plenty of middle class people who I have encountered hurling abuse and threatening those who dress differently (not cheap sportswear, branded clothing) etc. I've always thought whether one is a ned or not was more a question of attitude rather than one of background.
Stu, Scotland

I did not vote at the last election because I thought that the Scottish Parliament was a waste of my taxes, and now I know that I was right.
David Pollock
UK

If they don't behave like neds they won't be called neds.
Robin Stevenson, USA

If I remember correctly, ned is a term given to young thugs and not children in general. Rosie Kane and her ilk surely have better things to campaign about.
John Macarthur, Thailand

I know a good few people who wear tracksuits and the likes and they're perfectly sane, law-abiding people. I also know a few people who dress in black and so on, and shout abuse at people not the same as them and act like general pains. The idea of calling all neds "Tracksuit ambassadors" is certainly more insulting, as it implies that all those who dress a certain way act the same, and are nothing but trouble. Tsk.
Andrew, Scotland

Ned = non educated delinquent. No more needs to be said about these people
Robert, Glasgow

I sometimes fear for Ms Kane's sanity when I hear her talk about working class people in the way that she does. Her political opinions do not reflect accurately the views of working class people, rather they caricature them.

I am all for a general improvement in the conditions of working class communities but that will only be achieved when politicians like Rosie and her party apply themselves and their politics to those communities. It's a fundamental change in social conditions that these communities require not fiddling around with words.

Her forthright stance on this point has only served to belittle and devalue important issues like racism and sexism.
Franky, Scotland

Well Rosie, the police in your constituency areas are well known for referring to neds, and they are all very clear about the types of behaviour and actions that secure that label. Several Neighbourhood Watch schemes have been set up in the southside areas of Glasgow principally because of ned behaviour. The police, and the good people of Glasgow, are very clear that this is a term reserved NOT for all young people but a small minority. Perhaps you should spend some time talking to your constituents and Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinators who day and night have to call the local police about neds blighting their lives. You really have got your priorities wrong on this one. Of course I did notice that the SSP website doesn't actually have a specific link to policy issues on crime.
John, Scotland (Gorbals/Govanhill)

If they we to disappear then we've done away with a part of UK culture
Andy T
UK

I did not vote at the last election because I thought that the Scottish Parliament was a waste of my taxes, and now I know that I was right.

The term "ned" does not cover all young people, but neatly it covers the white tracksuited teenager who tried to mug me in Glasgow recently. Neds are the scum of society, whatever their age. Because of them I will not bring my family into Glasgow at certain times. Unlike the old, etc, they could change their anti-social attitudes instantly. Therefore they cannot be compared with ageism, sexism and racism.

What next? We cannot describe people who steal from us as thieves in case it upsets them? This has made the SSP a laughing stock and made a mockery of the Scottish Parliament. Sexism, racism and ageism are serious matters. Nedism is a joke and Rosie Kane is grasping at straws to get publicity.
David Pollock, UK

Neds are humorous creatures I think. If they were to disappear then we've done away with a part of UK culture.

We were all young at one time, I bet not all are bad and I'm sure that a high percentage will grow up into well balanced individuals. Don't hold yer breath!
Andy T, UK

Rosie Kane: talk sense. If these guys don't like being discriminated against, then they can choose to do something different. Read a book (and don't tell me they've never had the opportunity to learn how to read), choose not to go out and harass people. Whatever.

Many people do not have choices - and they are people who fight against real prejudice and stand firm, who raise awareness of their situation, who create acceptance of themselves against the odds, and who add to the richness of society.

This is nothing but sloppy argument for the sake of self aggrandisement. By making this case, the SSP disregard the situation of so many others. They demean us all.
Peter, Scotland

As a young "goth/skater/mosher" (whatever you want to call it) person in Aberdeen, neds are a really big problem. They shout abuse at us and if you even make a second's eye contact with them they threaten to bash your face in... how polite and unthreatening! They also tend to disrupt lessons at school... which I find rather unfair. Old people are always scared of us "goths" because we have baggy clothes and, to be fair, we are a lot more polite and considerate than neds! Banning the word isn't going to change anything, it's a ridiculous idea. It's the behaviour and attitudes of neds that need to be changed.
Claire, Scotland

Despite what Ms Kane says, ned is not a shortened version of Non Educated Delinquent. The correct root of the word is from the Teddy Boys in the 60s, shortened to Ted and evolving to ned.

As for the use of the word, ned is nothing class-based or age-based: there are middle class neds and neds in their forties. A ned is simply an unpleasant individual who chooses voluntarily to enter into a culture of violence and wearing sports clothing (a great irony there).

The ned is the ultimate evil in Scottish society today.
David Gardiner, Renfrewshire

The pervasiveness of the ned culture is one reason why my husband and I will not be returning to Scotland to raise our young son
Elizabeth
USA

Anyone who criticises people for using the term "neds" should try being a teenager in Glasgow and having to deal with idiots who seek violence for the sake of violence and think that delinquent behaviour is the answer to boredom. I've been spat at by neds simply because I don't look like them.

I've had a glass bottle thrown at me while I had a ten year old kid on my shoulders. I've had a female ned pull a knife on me when I told her I didn't have any change.

The term "ned" is not applied to anyone on the basis of their race, sex or sexual orientation. It is applied to people who have, by their actions, proven themselves to be nothing more than thugs.
Owen Duffy, Scotland

The pervasiveness of the ned culture is one reason why my husband and I will not be returning to Scotland to raise our young son. The young people who are branded neds deserve the title.

Until they grow up and stop their own hurtful and disrespectful behaviour toward others, let them be known for what they are - lazy, rude, ill-mannered, unemployed, state-subsidized brats and petty criminals.
Elizabeth, USA

Insulting? You try walking through Glasgow Cross on a Saturday night, or put yourself in the shoes of the people who are attacked for no good reason, and in some circumstances are murdered by these 'neds'.

I use the word ned to describe a certain type of individual, it is not just limited to age, I have seem many old 'neds' in Glasgow as well.

Rather than try to rebrand neds, couldn't MSPs try to tackle ned-like behaviour?
Dr John Sim, Scotland

And ned has nothing to do with 'Working' class, they have to actually work for that. I've known middle-class neds.

There is many things I'd like to call them but it'd take to much time so 'ned' will have to do.
Brendan, Scotland

I moved to London a couple of years ago from Glasgow and they have their own versions of neds - they don't wear their caps at 45 degrees but they do still wear the tracksuits and have lots of bling bling chains etc, plus the males of the species all seem to have hurt an ankle as they limp along the street.

I like the idea of ned-catchers, perhaps reformed neds could do the job.
David, UK

The term "ned" hardly hurts or disrespects a group who have no respect for anyone else and who frequently hurt and abuse anyone who happens not to be like themselves.

Are the "neds" who beat up one of my female students (six on one, four male, two female) really worthy of this sort of "political correctness?"

I'd like Ms Kane to come and explain to my student why she should respect these louts.
Dauvit Alexander, Scotland

What Rosie said would make sense if "ned" was being used as a catch-all term for "young people" by ministers - but it isn't. We young people are not all being tarred with the same brush by the use of the word "ned" - everyone's very clear on what it means and who is and is not a ned.

I agree with the SSP's general idea of tackling the source - deprivation, etc. - rather than the symptoms of youth crime, but a tirade against the word "ned" won't help.
Andrew, Scotland

Maybe Rosie Kane will truly understand the term ned, when one of her kids comes running home from a night out, black eye, and explains to his/her mother that a group of young people stopped them on the corner , started abuse, stole a mobile phone, and got a few punches in along the way.

Neds are people who make us threatened in our own society. I am a teenager and in my hometown of Paisley neds make a lot of people's lives a misery.

Should I have to tuck my wallet into my sock when I see a group of them approaching? Neds have authority they don't deserve and I can think of much better and much worse names to call them. It's just ridiculous.
Jo, Scotland

The term Ned (unfortunately) describes a substantial proportion of our society. If it was banned (how this would be enforced i have no idea) there would simply be another word to take its place. How about doing something to reduce the number rather than renaming them?
Helen, Scotland

I suggest all of Scotland go on a one day strike to let MSP's know that we, the Scottish taxpayers, are not prepared to pay for our parliament waste our money on such utterly inane, time consuming nonsense.

Rosie Kane wants to talk about respect - well Rosie; what about respecting the Scottish public by dealing with matters that really count?
Karen Kennedy, Scotland

Rosie Kane has only succeeded in trivialising issues such as sexism and racism. Compared to many racist or sexual slurs, ned hardly seems to compare. I admit that 'Tracksuit ambassador' does have a certain appeal.
Bob, Glasgow

Rather than try to rebrand neds, couldn't MSPs try to tackle ned-like behaviour? Crime is the issue here. How many have seen vandalised bus shelters? Cars broken into? What rehabilitation do the few who actually get caught receive? How many never do get caught?

Scotland has a problem, and until the MSPs admit this and starts to make an effort nothing will improve. The last session of parliament was completely ineffective, is there any doubt the current one will be any different? With the antics of Rosie et al, I'm very concerned. The Scottish Parliament has been an expensive experiment, could we get a return on our investment please?
Dr John Sim, Scotland

I think the discussion around the word ned is irrelevant. What we need in Scotland is a sensible informed discussion about the place of children and young people in our society. We live in a very unequal society and whilst this does not excuse criminal behaviour it does set it in context.
Gary, Scotland

I am a young person myself and in no way do i feel the word ned applies to me. Everybody knows that a ned is defined by attitude and actions, not age. to suggest banning it is ridiculous.
Stuart Robertson, Scotland

I was walking through Glasgow's Botanic Gardens this week with a group of guides and as we passed some Neds we were pelted with mud, stones and abuse was shouted at us.

I have nothing but respect for the Guides I work with on a regular basis and nothing but contempt for the thugs/neds/yobs/whatever Ms Kane feels we should call them who hang around the parks/street corners trying to intimidate others.

This is PC gone mad - the term ned refers to a small minority of young people and is not a sweeping generalisation. I would respectfully suggest that Ms Kane tackle issues such as long term unemployment, poor housing, lack of training/education opportunities and other issues that would do more to help young people trapped by poverty than focusing on the use of the term Ned.
Dee, Scotland

I strongly object to these shellsuited idiots and will continue to use derogatory terms to describe them
Wayne
Scotland

I tend to support the SSP on most matters but this is a waste of time. What term are we meant to use instead? Rapscallion? Guttersnipe? The fact is that the behaviour of neds, not all kids mind, just neds, is responsible for the disdain with which they are treated, If they clean up their act they'll get respect, it's that simple.
Paul, Scotland

I am so pleased I can now rest easy in the knowledge that our hard-earned tax is being put to good use, rather than wasted on nurses, pensioners, and education!!!
Ray Alexander, Scotland

I can understand that ned may be a hurtful or offensive description of antisocial, disrespectful louts. However, now that Rosie Kane has identified a problem, what is her strategy to solve it? Unfortunately the trivial nature in which this story is being covered in the press means the real point of the argument will be lost. How long until an opposing MSP throws this back in Rosie's face?
James, Scotland

Good to see this worthwhile parliament is getting to the root cause of societies problems.
Bud Neill, Scotland

Although I don't agree with proscribing any form of language I see Rosie's point. By dehumanising young people as neds we don't need to understand them or address the problems they may be facing: deprivation, lack of opportunity; social discrimination. This makes life nice and simple for narrow minded curtain twitchers.
Graeme Gardiner, Scotland

Perhaps Rosie Kane would revisit her views had she been stopped on her way home from the pub last Saturday night by a group of neds who jumped out of their souped-up Nova to give me some abuse.

I strongly object to these shellsuited idiots and will continue to use derogatory terms to describe them for as long as they keep up this insulting and disrespectful behaviour.
Wayne, Scotland

What nonsense. My calling them neds is nothing compared to their terms for me! Just because I enjoy wearing black, and listen to a different type of music. They contribute nothing to society.
Ross Allan, UK

As long as the reverse-baseball-cap brigade run up and down our street breaking wingmirrors and stealing from gardens, I'll call them neds. Rosie might be better to ask questions about the funding of the police who say they are "too busy" to send anyone round.
Scott, Scotland

The problem isn't in the term, it's in the attitude of these individuals who feel a need to shout, swear and act violently in public when in groups
Gavin Russell
Scotland

You generally find that the word ned is used to describe the layabouts who hang about on our streets, speak with what could only be called a drawl, attempt to fight anybody and anything and then call you something behind your back when you are a good distance away.

Other kids and teenagers who are polite and respectful get called...well kids.

Apart from that, why does the Scottish Parliament not devote its time to education, health, jobs, policing rather than wasting its time with common terms of speech?
Allan Beckett, Scotland

Ah, fine. Politically Correct ranting once again from the SSP. In my opinion ned is far too polite a term for the pond life that pollute the once fine streets of our towns and cities. As for youth/ social workers. Don't get me started about them...
Martin, Scotland

What a complete joke these comments are. It shows how out of touch parliament really is with the real people of Scotland. Anyone who feels these are "misunderstood" young people should try walking up to the thousands of them that patrol our local and city centres when they are in large groups and tell them how they want to promote togetherness and start (ahem) "Building Bridges" with them and see the reaction they get? What a sight it would be.

The ordinary decent young people out there go about their lives without hassling people and are not called neds. The problem isn't in the term, it's in the attitude of these individuals who feel a need to shout, swear and act violently in public when in groups.
Gavin Russell, Scotland

The word ned is used to describe the same section of society that in other parts of the UK are called scallies and pogs.

You couldn't describe all youngsters like this as not all youngsters are gold laden, tracksuit wearing petty criminals and thugs who think they have a licence to commit crime and make other peoples lives a misery.
Chris, England

I always thought the term ned was a description aimed at the trouble causing youths, with a dress code of shellsuit, baseball cap, trainers, with their shellsuit bottoms tucked in their socks. Unfortunately the majority of youths these days have no respect for anyone.

Surely MSPs should wise up before they open their mouths. We're paying for them to dream up this nonsense
Alan D
Scotland

I am plagued by youngsters irresponsibly playing football against the walls of my house and I receive nothing but a mouthful of abuse when I politely ask them to stop. I also had a bad encounter on Princes Street, Edinburgh one evening when I was verbally abused and had several bottles thrown at me by out of control, drunken teenagers.

Unfortunately the police, these days, do not take such matters seriously as they have failed to take any action whatsoever against the youngsters involved in the two incidents I have mentioned.

They always complain that they are bored and have nothing to do, but they certainly have a lot more going for them these days. Perhaps the return of National Service would instil some much needed discipline and respect that the youngsters of today need.
Tony, UK

It's not akin to ageism or racism - age and race are not a choice - wearing a shellsuit and a Burberry baseball cap is completely avoidable
Sharon

Yes, it is insulting to young people but it is a true reflection on the individual that is being referred to. How else would you refer to a 12-year-old kid, in a white shell suit with the bottoms tuck into their white socks that walk about the streets swearing, smoking club, drinking the cheeky water, and verbally abusing everybody and anybody that they choose.

Not to forget mention of their ever popular phrase, "Gonna go into the shop fur us Mister". Hopefully, the parents of these young people will be equally disgusted at their behaviour as I and the rest of society is.
Graeme, Scotland

Yes, I think the term ned is insulting and discriminatory. From the times I've heard it used, I've interpreted it as meaning working class. It used to vex me when people who had come to study in Glasgow used to use the term neds. In essence, the students thought they were superior to the native neds and in doing so, were judgemental and discriminating against a certain section of Glaswegians.

Unfortunately, the pulled-up white socks and baseball caps have become linked with trouble-makers. I bet they get more police attention than the students!
Clare Short, Glasgow

Has Rosie Kane got nothing better to do? I didn't know that she won her seat for her political correctness policies! How silly of me to think that health and education would be of more importance. Is she naive enough to think that teenage criminals will disappear if we no longer have a name for them?
Steve Lee, Scotland

Shouldn't we spend the valuable parliament time looking to impose harsher penalties on these youngsters that play the police and legal system like a PlayStation game?
Chris
Scotland

I'm glad I'm only paying Rosie Kane an average salary. She doesn't seem to be doing enough to get the full wack!
Mr Flanders, Netherlands

The term ned isn't aimed at all young people - just the large groups of three strip wearing, alcohol drinking youths that wander the streets looking for a helpless person to pick on.

Personal experience has seen a group of 15 neds, both boys and girls, attack a single man with glass bottles. They weren't so hard when the steward from the local club caught a number of them and held them till the police arrived. Most of them were in tears. They prey like a pack of wolves, never any trouble on their own.

And shouldn't we spend the valuable parliament time looking to impose harsher penalties on these youngsters that play the police and legal system like a PlayStation game?
Chris, Scotland

I'm from Glasgow and there neds get called neds for a reason. They're (generally), be-hatted, trackie wearing, nasal-toned trouble makers that show their true colours as an aggressive pack animal.

The name ned doesn't apply to all young people. Surely everybody that has ever spent any time with real people in a Scottish city know when and when not to describe someone as a ned.

If the Scottish Parliament don't know that, they are obviously out of touch with not only the youth, but every other age-group of today. Get a grip, people. Next, you'll be telling us that "politician" is offensive. Oh, actually, maybe it is...
Daniel Soong, UK

So, let me get this right. Socialist Rosie Kane thinks that neds are a more important issue for parliamentary time, than housing, health or education. Nice to see she's got her priorities right.
Andrew Haddow, Scotland

You realise of course that we're all free to say what we want about neds, because any true ned is unlikely to be reading this. Reading would, after all, just get in the way of all the drinking and window smashing.
Richard, Scotland

In 2001 the word ned entered the Concise Oxford Dictionary, defined as a hooligan or petty criminal, a stupid or loutish boy or man. Now, there's clearly a divide over the way groups of individual behave and dress, ones with white tracksuits and 5kg of gold-coloured chains over their neck, and the ones who refuse to dress, and maybe behave like them. I don't see any problem at all, it is their choice after all.
C.Lamb, Scotland

Ned is a word which has appeared because it suits the character for which it has been created. It's akin to the way in which 'dreich' is delightfully descriptive. Something which is hard to define has been encapsulated in a matter of letters and sounds.

Good to see the parliament has nothing better to do than waste time discussing impractical and unworkable pedantics.
Gerry McKeown
Scotland

Rosie Kane would do well to start talking about important issues affecting Scots. How about doing something practical to help those in society who feel alienated? If she wants to make a difference she may find that actions will speak louder than any words.
Morag, Scotland

Most people understand what a ned is, so why ban the term? What I cannot understand is the media flirtation/love affair with neds in programmes like Chewing the Fat and Still Game.
Gerry McKeown, Scotland

Good to see the parliament has nothing better to do than waste time discussing impractical and unworkable pedantics. What amazing value for money and a good use of the MSPs' time! Well done - you are succeeding in making us a laughing stock.
Alan Millar, Scotland

The 'young man' who burgled my flat (and several others) got 18 months' probation. I think I should at least be able to call him a ned. Generally people only use the term for those young people that deserve it, through their behaviour. I admire Rosie Kane for being a very principled woman but feel that she's incredibly naive.
Julia Harrison, Scotland

What! Has Ms Kane lost the plot? The term ned is an insult. Of course it's disrespectful and hurtful. It's not intended to be anything other than that. Should we also ban the word idiot in reference to our politicians because it's hurtful and disrespectful? Do they not have better things to do with their time?
Rob, Scotland

So the term ned is hurtful and disrespectful to young people, is it? How tragic! Rosie Kane should be forced to use public transport twice a day with neds and endure their abuse and see how supportive she feels of them then.

They don't earn the ned moniker just by wearing sports gear when they've never exercised in their life; it's their attitude, their disrespect for anyone else, and their obvious pig ignorance which is earning them contempt from decent people in society.

Banning the use of the term ned isn't going to help. Banning neds themselves that need banning. We used to have dog-catchers patrolling the streets. I say introduce ned-catchers.
MAC, Scotland

The word "ned" is an old Scottish word that does not mean all youngsters. It means a youth who is abusive, a yob or someone who has no respect for other people and their property. The typical ned is seen sitting about bus shelters at night time drinking alcohol or annoying people outside the local chippies.

The term neds is how middle and upper class 'conservative' snobs view young people
Jim Crabbs
Edinburgh

I find it hilarious that someone from the Scottish Socialist Party would say this, after having a leader, Tommy Sheridan, being the neds' representative in the Scottish Parliament!
David, Scotland

No I don't think so. Neds are defined as teenage, drunk, foul-mouthed yobs who pick fights with innocent strangers for fun. They deserve that name if it means "disrespect". If these youngsters want to be respected they have to earn it and show respect to others.
Niki, UK

At least now we understand why the SSP couldn't attend the royal opening of parliament - they were busy working on a programme of legislation that addresses the many critical issues affecting the Scottish economy and public services.
Mark, Scotland

There are, unfortunately, an increasing number of people in our society today, whom we could refer to as neds. Condemning the use of a word which merely describes the nature of a certain group of young people will not discourage them from behaving in the manner to which it relates.

The term relates to their behaviour and, as such, should their behaviour change the term would not be relevant. Therefore Rosie should be considering the reasons these youngsters behave in a way which terms them as neds, and at the neds themselves for a change in attitude.
Smithy, Scotland

The term neds is how middle and upper class 'conservative' snobs view young people. Rosie Kane is right. Unless the term is condemned then how can adults expect to start building the bridge between young people and adults?
Jim Crabbs, Edinburgh

Is this a joke? Have MSPs not got better things to use their time with? I can't believe, this by the way.
Dino, Scotland

If that is the best thing that the SSP can come up with then we are all in trouble. A ned is just a word used to describe a young troublemaker(normally wearing a tracksuit).

If they weren't out fighting/nicking cars and all round getting up people's noses then they would not be labelled neds. What's next, we can't call a person who kills someone a murderer for fear of upsetting them? Get a life Rosie and focus on something that actually means something!
Kenny, UK

This is not insulting to young people as it does not apply to just young people
Robert
Scotland

Is Rosie Kane really this desperate for publicity? It doesn't matter what we refer to these ill-educated, ill brought up morons as.

The sad fact of the matter is that these people exist in the heart of our society in overwhelming numbers. Ms Kane should think more of how to deal with the problem than trying to score cheap publicity points over which noun to use to classify these people.

If she could step out of her right-on PC world she might start to see the world as it really is and the misery caused by the ned culture which is all too prevalent in Scotland.
Stephen McDade, Scotland

Being nedist! This really is political correctness gone ballistic, oh and Rosie Kane promised she'd shake things up in parliament, what a visionary!

This is not insulting to young people as it does not apply to just young people. In fact most neds I've seen are not young, and not all young people are neds, so if anything she is stigmatising them by applying the term to them.

If this is all this new MSP can bring to a parliament she'd be better in another occupation, most likely a bar room philosopher. What will Rosie bring forward next, banning the name fat cats because it is offensive to overly paid executives and they may be upset by the stigma caused. If this is what an SSP MSP is taking 23k a year for, I hope all the shop workers and cleaners remember when the next polling day arrives.
Robert, Scotland

The word ned is an apt description for some sections of society. It does not just refer to young people. If being called a ned upsets them then all they need to do is stop acting like neds.
Andrew Kelly, Scotland

I disagree comprehensively with the decision to stop using the term neds, and will not be stopping it myself. It is not discriminatory in the same way as ageism, sexism or racism because age, race and sex are not qualities which can be altered.

If they feel that they are not respected, they should act in a manner worthy of respect.
Gordon Pearce Scotland
Neds are neds by choice and the term is a useful and deserved social categorisation for a clearly-defined section of the youth community who wilfully and maliciously engage in anti-social and often threatening behaviour. Furthermore, neds voluntarily adopt the codes and lifestyle of 'the nedhood', and if we can't call them neds, we'll just end up thinking of another equally accurate and resonant term.

I voted for the Scottish Socialist Party at the last two elections in Scotland, and will do again, and I have absolutely nothing against Rosie Kane MSP whatsoever.
Neil McFarlane, Scotland

Nonsense. It's a description of someone's appearance. Any word can be used in a negative sense or a positive sense, it depends on context. Everyone is offended at some point in their lives by others, you can't stop freedom of speech and you can't decide to delete words from people's vocabulary because some people don't like it. If it is banned, another word will only be used in its place of the same meaning.
Rebecca Mason, Scotland

I do not use the term ned for young people; I use it for young people who can be described as non-educated delinquents. I feel that the hordes of young people, who today feel the need to wear tracksuits, baseball hats and drink on street corners, are rightly termed as neds.

If ned is now deemed as politically incorrect then maybe the politician should come up with ways of educating and occupying these young people, then maybe the term would not have to be used.
GL, Scotland UK

Of course the word is appropriate for sections of society, the section that are neds. This is a lifestyle choice; neds have their own ned websites. Rosie Kane ought to wake up and smell the Rosies or am i just nedist. Will we now not be able to call thugs thugs as they will be hurt by this?
Jim, Glasgow

The term ned is short for skinhead. Wherever you go there is a term for young people and if Rosie Kane spoke to any of the young people who have been given this label she may be surprised to find that this is an accolade to some rather than an insult.
Jenny Lee, Scotland

If they feel that they are not respected, they should act in a manner worthy of respect. There are many children and young people who are not neds, who presumably find better things to do with their time than smashing bus shelters and drinking.
Gordon Pearce, Scotland





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Holyrood urged to protect 'neds'
05 Jun 03  |  Scotland


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