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Wednesday, 27 March, 2002, 15:04 GMT
Should the UK send more troops to Afghanistan?
The UK has authorised the biggest deployment of British troops since the Gulf War to help root out al-Qaeda fighters.
UK defence secretary Geoff Hoon has called the Afghanistan deployment "a powerful force - up to 1,700 strong." He added: "We will be asking them to risk their lives...they may suffer casualties." Mr Hoon said that al-Qaeda continued to pose a threat to countries including the UK. The British contingent will join a US-led brigade to flush out the remnants of the Taleban and al-Qaeda forces. Should the UK send more troops to Afghanistan? This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.
Your reaction
Stijn and Michiel, Belgium
The United States did not send any troops to support the British effort in the Falklands. Why should anyone send troops to help them in Afghanistan?
I see the MPs are questioning military strategy in sending a further 1,700 troops to Afghanistan and comparing this to the Viet Nam war. Probably the largest contributor to that war lasting as long as it did and had the results it did was politicians trying to run the war. Stay out of it MPs or we will have another Viet Nam. And for Simon, England, UK: Why should the US spend millions on a movie and make another country the hero? A lot of people complain about the US rewriting history in their films (according to their view point of course). In some cases I am sure the truth is stretched a bit, in others almost to the breaking point, and in a lot more cases not at all. At least they are making quality movies, what have we done?
James Clarke, UK
I want to make clear that my reservations about Britain as an ally are based on the average British subject and their anti-American feelings, not the quality or bravery of British forces. Man for man they are the best in the world, bar none. (I'm a former US Army Ranger who fought alongside them in the Gulf War.) I just don't think their country can be trusted to back them, and will pull them out as things get rougher.
This is a conflict with no end, but it does not fit into the traditional interpretation of 'war.' As usual it is Britain and America who have the motivation to destroy hidden evil. The events so far have made Bush and Blair a pair of world leaders that will never be forgotten. One day, these events will be studied in history classes across the globe. The children of tomorrow will then analyse why there had been so much hatred for America, there is much that the citizens of this 'free' world are unaware of, especially in the world of trade and commerce. But we cannot reverse the past, what has been taken can never be restored. Sir, I ask you this, will there be western troops in the Middle East if this conflict is solved? Somebody somewhere will always have to deal with the aftermath. I am all for military assaults on this evil terror group in Afghanistan.
Rose, USA
To turn an oft-seen argument on its head (or more accurately, the right way up): If regimes like the Taleban want to avoid US attacks in future, maybe they should start to think about addressing the causes behind them...
E Pluribus Unum - Out of Many, One. We can't let our resolution waver on this war on terrorism. We fight this war together, or lose separately. My only criticism is that the US has assumed the leadership role rather than the United Nations.
Carl Gavin, Asia
Who's is going to pay for it?
The UK does not need to involve itself in this war. But remember, those who don't participate have no right to complain about strategy and policy. So either start walking or stop talking.
Richard Allison, England Cheers to the UK for supporting us. With that being said, the USA imperialism and money mongering comments can cease. Who colonized most of the world in the name of His Majesty? Who started the slave trades for profit? Before we are allowed to call anyone a hypocrite we must first look at ourselves.
I believe in this fight. These people must be stopped. There only purpose is fear and hatred no matter the cause. Someone looked at them cross-eyed and they want to fight. Well, we are here to finish it. God speed to our men. US/UK/German/Canadian/Australian/Polish.
So Blair has decided to send British troops to fight in Afghanistan. Comparsions between the Gulf/Falklands are being made, why? Troops were sent as a direct result of miltiary action, a subtle difference perhaps, but they were different. But before they went there was a debate and a vote in parliament, why hasn't there been one now? Where is the rest of Europe? Why has there been more discussion over fox hunting than the sending of British troops into another country where they could be killed?
Good luck to all the brave troops, I agree we should be in there shorting this out.... next stop Iraq!
Ian, UK
What I want to know is when is the first Hollywood movie on the Afghan war is going to come out? No doubt the US will be the heroes again!
As for the UK troop deployment, I wish our lads all the luck in the world. As an ex-serviceman, I know that they will prevail!!
I agree with the government sending British Troops over to support US Forces. International terrorism reminds me of the hydra of Greek mythology, we will never slay the monster of terrorism if we simply try to cut one head off. We must destroy the whole monster if we want to live in a free and civilised world where people talk about there problems. Unfortunately we must use force to forge this world. Yes British servicemen may die doing this, but if we don't then the freedom won by soldiers of the past will mean nothing and terrorism will plunge the world into chaos.
Sending the Marines in will no doubt speed up the process of mopping up resistance, as everybody knows the British forces are the best in the world. The mountain and arctic warfare cadre even more so. However I am sure the troops on the ground will be the first to agree they should be led by their own officers and not the Americans.
Another point besides, why is it always the British troops who sort out the world's trouble spots, sure they are the best but not the biggest and certainly not the most well funded. France for example has larger forces but they very rarely leave barracks unless of course it benefits France. Europe in general seems to get a better deal from every conflict, the Brits sort out the problem and then the rest of Europe go in and claim all the benefits and jobs in re-building. No doubt after the impending civil war in Zimbabwe the Paras etc will be on hand to sort out the mess, lets hope the UK is never threatened with invasion because by the time our troops get home it will be to late to do anything.
Toby Kubitz, Erfurt, Germany
Hoon should definitely NOT send troops to assist the US in its war against terrorism. Through the Pakistani ISI (Intelligence Service) the CIA funded and helped to train these groups whom they now refer to as terrorists during the resistance to the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. They also backed and supplied Iraq in its 7-year war against Iran. These dual standards must stop NOW. It is time that people were told the truth instead of being persistently lied to over American sponsorship of terrorism. Countries that create these monsters should be called upon to deal with them. Stay out of it Britain and sort some of your own problems out - starting with Mr. Blair.
No I don't think we should be sending more of our troops over. The events on September 11 were terrible but it's not our war.
When UK has the best mountain trained combat troops in the world why should they not be use to flush out the Al -Qaeda and spare the free world of their horrible attacks? I feel they should be supported by the Royal navy's airpower and the RAF in addition to the US airpower.
Charles Potten, UK
Simply put - yes, yes, yes
This 'war' on terrorism is totally indefensible. It is just a way for Americans to vent their justifiable anger at the attack in New York. The moral and religious way to react surely cannot be to cowardly bomb people who had nothing to do with it.
The moral standpoint of the USA is a joke. Who has the most weapons of mass destruction? And who used them first in Japan and Vietnam?
The arrogance of the Americans and the fawning of the British are both totally repugnant and must be opposed by all right-minded people.
President Bush & Tony Blair both have gone mad. They don't know what they are going to do. They will spoil the future of Americans.
Ian Westwood, UK
You cannot 'fight' terrorism. Does anyone really think that the real terrorists are the kind of people to stand up and fight? Of course not. They are more like criminals than soldiers and the only way to counter them in the long run is to remove the causes of their anger. I also believe that British troops are the best in the world, but it's not a question of how good they are but more what is the purpose of them dying in Afghanistan? I doubt if any of Afghanis killed had anything at all to do with the attack in New York. If the West were fair then there would be no reason for terrorists to exist and no support for their actions. Let us get to the root of the problem and not stupidly charge at the symptoms.
To claim that the American military forces aren't capable of winning the war in Afghanistan is absolute nonsense. I doubt any other military could have responded as quickly and powerfully as America did after the September 11 ''sucker punch.'' The last time I checked the Taleban lost their power on the streets and people weren't being be-headed at sporting events for chewing gum. As far as I'm concerned America has done a good job on the war on terrorism, allot better than most countries could have done. Instead of cruising America on its every move, try to admire the guts and the pursuit to rid the world of evil even though it may sound ridiculous or impossible. America is a peaceful nation that wants peace; the war is on terrorist or people who support them, not on Islam. Join the cause because if America fails, so shall the world.
Aman Tandon, India
Any help from the UK is welcomed. If you are queasy or feel this is an American war, please stay home. Or perhaps take a nice vacation to Nigeria, I believe, for the upcoming stoning of a woman who had a child out of wedlock. Better book now as she only lives until the child is done breastfeeding. Unlike many of those responding here, she will only be buried up to the waist.
Why should the UK send troops to Afghanistan? Aren't the US troops good enough at killing Afghan civilians and mistake any relatively tall people for Osama? If the Americans want to mind what is none of their business, fine. Why do they consistently want to drag the UK and France into their own mess? To make it more justifiable?
Seems to me that the USA can't deal with ground to ground combat in harsh environments. All it is prepared to do is bomb from the relative safety of the sky and get other nations to take the high body counts that may result from now on. As to all the nonsense of protecting the free world from Terrorism, Sept 11t was directed against the USA, every other country I know of has had their own share of terrorism without the states jumping in to aid the allies.
Muath, USA
No number of UK troops or US troops can fight those "terrorists" as one can never fight an enemy whom are invisible. One can have all the latest in weaponry but have to accept that even if there is a single person who thinks like Usama Bin Laden then the terror threat will remain. Now tell me how one can achieve the impossible and eradicate every single person who hates the US and its friends. Lets no send these UK troops and bring them back in bags. Afghanistan was not the enemy and to this date those who have suffered are the Muslim civilians of Afghanistan (and US & coalition troops, no don't be silly. They would never tell you this).
To John, USA: You must be blind to the facts that your country is the only country in the world who supported terrorism and have been terrorizing other countries because of their recourses so your lazy a.. smoke pot and drink alcohol and watch football and you have the guts to bitch how the world is unsafe.
I am a dual UK/USA citizen and fully support the deployment of UK Commandos. The west must stop this terrorism at its heart otherwise we will face it again. It is up to the UK and USA to eliminate this threat because no one else will. We must also stop the violence in the Middle East by creating a viable Palestinian state by having Israel withdraw to its 1967 borders.
Neil, UK
This is America's war, let them fight it. Simple question, if the UK was attacked and the British went into war in a different country, and then called upon American troops to go to the front lines while the British troops were far away on some hilltop looking, would the Americans send troops?
The British government has to get its priorities right.... deal with the IRA who have blown up countless things in the UK as compared to Al-Qaeda and Taleban who to the best of my knowledge haven't ever hit the UK.
If the Americans need more troops, tell them to bring up their reserves.
This is Americas war, they were attacked and they were the ones who really pissed off the people who done the attacks on September 11th...not the British...
It's their war, let them fight it!
Why? To profit by doubly siphoning off the aid money. Afghanistan is a poor country unlike Kuwait it cannot pay war reparation.
There doesn't need to be a clearly defined goal: I think the goal can be vague. The idea is that the terrorists want to use lawless Afghanistan. Denying them this seems worthwhile - the goal is simply occupation.
Richard Lovell, London, UK
Maybe it is old age but why is it that when politicians get involved in "thickened plots" my nose twitches?
This is not about one side's troops being braver than the other's, they are all brave.
No, this is about election year in the US and "body-bag" time.
Bush needs the senate very badly to push through his agenda and body counts won't improve his chances come November, its all yours Tony and remember I've just handed you 27 billion in defence contract money. Next subject!
Of course Britain should support our American allies, not to forget the Australians and Canadians who are also engaged in this war on terrorism. Luckily the English-speaking world is prepared to take on these evil men.
We don't have understanding of most of the Europeans (including, of course, French), but thank god we still have real friends in Europe -the British.
Lisa Quested, USA
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at some of the anti-us comments, but I know they don't reflect the views of the great majority of the British public.
I support fully the troop deployment, and can think of no better soldiers to fight beside. When I read this rubbish about the Americans not being up for it, I want to laugh. In World War Two the Americans, British, Canadians, Australians and others stood shoulder to shoulder and defeated the great evil of the day, and 60yrs later we will do the same.
Freedom comes at a price, and to all those who are against action where would you be now if it wasn't for the sacrifice of people like these brave soldiers.
I believe we are morally correct to send more troops to aid in the fight against enemy that tried to control its nation through public execution and oppression of belief. This is a nation of people that has suffered for far too long and I hope no one forgets that this should be done to aid the people of Afghanistan towards a prosperous and successful future free from fear. Good luck to the People of 45 Cdo and their supporting companies, we have faith that you will make our country proud.
Most people don't seem to be aware that a huge propaganda machine has been set in motion by the American government to manipulate public opinion. News is being censored and carefully selected to fuel the hatred and so justify military action on the poorest country in the world. How ridiculous it is to bomb piles of rock and rubble.
One minute American leaders are shaking hands with the terrorists and giving them guns, training and vast amounts of money, next minute they are demonising them.
The American government is two-faced and hypocritical.
The leaders of this world are all without imagination when it comes to resolving conflict - its tribal warfare all around - the boys with their toys are intent on destruction regardless of the long term consequences. It makes me want to despair.
TonyH, UK
I think sending UK troops out into Afghanistan is futile and is simply a strategy by the US to deflect some the casualties in this war to other nations. As American soldiers being killed does not make good press in the US and only serves to weaken support. This request coming days after al-Qaeda forces downed the two US helicopters is testament to this.
Because of confidentiality we have not revealed a name or e-mail address and hope that this will be "respected". We have a daughter who, again, is on 48 hr standby. Having realed day to day from September through to December not knowing whether she would "go".
We presumed incorrectly, that Mr Bush did not "need her"! Why did a representative
of the US on radio 4 this very evening state that that the US could not provide
an adequately equipped force to deal with the situation in which they now find themselves? Why the hell not? Would it not be prudent to have a trained task force prepared for any eventuality
"at the ready" prior to taking on such a mission? Are we to continue to mop up after Mr Bush and his mayhem? Where next? Our tri-services have to go, they have no option Mr Blair has committed them. He should
"seriously" doubt the integrity of the aforementioned admission. Yes they will go but they should not! Not when their so-called compatriots c/o Mr Bush have NOT got their act together.
I know the US government would never agree to it, but I would like to see Britain take control of the mission in Afghanistan with the US forces put under British command. The reality is that they are more experienced and better trained for this operation and I just feel that they might succeed where a US led operation might fail. This is not to say that the US Army isn't one of the finest, and I have great pride in what they are doing. At the end of the day, though, I want us to win this war; if letting the Royal Marines take the lead and our pride taking a slight knock, then so be it!
Robert, USA
I don't support this policy of UK, and I also ask Bush to pull out the US troops, because he will pay a heavy price in that country. Remember in 1900s UK paid a heavy price when they tried to invade Afghanistan. Those people are very tough, and since western nations have lived in peace and luxury, they don't know how to fight. Remember what goes around, comes around. USA is a powerful bully, and they will learn that soon. "Its easy to invade a country, but hard to hold it", and Bush is learning this already. He is a man, who will bring America to its Knees.
The losses of the British forces in Afghanistan will be minimised if the soldier commanders are equipped with wads of money for bribes and a large probability of disaster can be prevented if NO MORE than TWO Afghan mercenaries pro Brit fighter are employee on the field.
I believe we are morally correct to send more troops to aid in the fight against enemy that tried to control its nation through public execution and oppression of belief. This is a nation of people that has suffered for far too long and I hope no one forgets that this should be done to aid the people of Afghanistan towards a prosperous and successful future free from fear. Good luck to the People of 45 Cdo and their supporting companies, we have faith that you will make our country proud.
I'm not sure that the US has a firm grasp on what is actually going on militarily in Afghanistan and I am concerned that introducing troops from Britain to follow the course America has set could lead to unnecessary casualties with no clear focus of what is to be achieved.
Public opinion in the US is beginning to accept that the US administration and defence officials are giving out a good deal of dissemination on the results of their military strikes and I would not want to see British troops unwittingly fall into the US propaganda trap. For example; according to US officials, over 300 Al-Qaeda forces were killed in operation Anaconda whereas the United States' own Afghan allies say the truth is closer to 25 dead with the rest having escaped. A good number of US soldiers died killing these 25 enemy soldiers and millions of dollars were spent in the process. Britain should be wary of blindly doing America's bidding when America seems to have difficulty understanding what it needs to do, how to do it and then, when it fails, admitting afterwards that it screwed up.
There is no question that Al-Qaeda needs to be destroyed, it is just that I am not convinced that America has the military capability to do it and I don't want to see British lives lost because of it. If Britain were in charge and leading the charge then I would be more comfortable. I do not believe that America has demonstrated that it has the know how to fight this kind of war, they are good at storming the beaches but historically they have not been psychologically equipped for the kind of thoughtful fighting needed now for this battle.
The blind leading the blind is bad enough all round but the blind leading the sighted could be a disaster.
I have a comment for John from USA who thinks Pakistan is an "Axis of Evil".
The first Pakistani president said in the assembly in 1948 "There is only one embassy in this country and that is the US embassy". I wish our leaders would wake up and realise who our friends really are.
I just hope people you think like you are a minority.
John, USA
I have been in contact with US Army since the start of the year and I have visited the USA on a number of occasions since September 11. A number of things have struck me in my short time there. The most prominent is how the USA is feeling extremely alone in this big old world. A lot of civilian and military personnel recognise that the UK is its only true friend and close ally. During Operation Anaconda the US military suffered from heavy fighting and extreme climate conditions. The USA does not train in extreme climates to the same degree that the Royal Marines do, and for this reason this fighting force will add a formidable increase in capability to the land force commander. The Royal Marines will prove themselves (as they did during the Falklands War in 1982) to be one of the best fighting units in the western world. Good luck to all those men who go forward into arms way.
Come on the UK and US for goodness sake, any Al Qaeda people reading this website will be rubbing their hands. The US and UK bitching about each other! I say good on the US for taking the lead and good on the UK for sending the Royal marines. Let's get the job done. I think we all know that killing Al-Qaeda will be a messy hand-to-hand job ultimately. This is what the Royal Marines train for. Good luck and God's speed - that applies to the US, UK and all allies.
Dave, England
I am astounded by the ignorance of history shown by some of the replies!
First let me state that I am full square behind the US and fully support British troops in this mission. The people of the US deserve our respect and our gratitude, period!. Now to the history lesson, Britain stood alone fighting for freedom in WWII from 1939, don't insult us with the saved your butt routine, and please remember that there were 5 d-day beaches, Gold, Juno , Utah, Omaha & Sword . Yes the Brits , Canadians and others were there too!
Next step, where was US moral support when IRA terrorists were killing and maiming? oh sorry, forgot they are freedom fighters aren't they?
Funny , but since 1945 I seem to recall British Serviceman serving in operations and giving their lives in Palestine, Korea, The Falklands, The Gulf, Suez , Borneo Northern Ireland just to name a few.
All talk and no action?
Britain has an important role in the world today as an international peacekeeper, not having the reputation of the USA for intervening where it shouldn't be. As a proud northerner I am happy to see several of my countrymen and countrywomen perhaps die protecting the freedoms that we often take for granted in the UK. I sincerely believe that one British life is well worth sacrificing to save 30 or 40 Afghanistan ones. The more of our boys that are over there the better the world will be.
Gerald Joyce, Chicago, USA
I guess a combat role is a lot more satisfying than mere security duty. It also gives the troops a chance to put all that stuff they've been learning to practice.
But what Afghanistan needs is to rebuild itself. For that to happen it needs security. If it can move ahead as a nation those Taleban holdouts will become irrelevant If not and poverty and hopelessness prevail those western soldiers will come to be seen as the problem and not the solution.
My comment is to Ralph Maddams who states " we should not get involved its not our war" A great friend you would be.
Britain should NOT send troops to Afghanistan. It is NOT our war.
However terrible the events of September the Eleventh were the country of Afghanistan did NOT instigate them.
Timur, Kazakhstan
To Dee, Switzerland: I find the rabid anti-Americanism in Europe powerfully ignorant and intolerant. It's absolutely pathetic! It's quite obvious that Islamic fundamentalism is THE leading cause of international terrorism. Have you even thought about that? Or is everything automatically America's fault? Wow, you're SO tolerant!
I applaud the U.K. for taking an active, military role in an issue they feel requires action. I believe the premise that violence begets more violence is warranted. Nonetheless, I think the use of force was necessary in the case of Afghanistan. Terrorists do not have the deterrent to attacking other countries that nations-states historically have had. They have no infrastructure to destroy and no land to occupy. Thus, this necessitates the need to cooperate with the countries in which they operate to stop them. It was apparent that Afghanistan was not going to aid the U.S. to stem the operations of the Al-Qaeda. Thus, force was prerequisite to stopping the terrorists in this specific situation. They would not have gone away if we just left them alone, and I don't think they really wanted to talk it over. Granted this should be an eye-opener for America to begin constructive, compromising dialogues with antagonistic nations before they burgeon into more Sept. 11's. But talking would have done us no good with regards to Afghanistan.
Paul, Britain
UK shouldn't sent any soldiers to Afghanistan because their is a high risk and we don't want to see UK losses. Thanks Mr Blair
We welcome help from British special operations forces. British soldiers are among the best disciplined and lead in the world. Keep your powder dry.
Mike, England: I can't agree enough with your comment that the Muslim world should assist in helping create/maintain peace in Afghanistan, along with any other person or government that loves peace and freedom.
That said, I support additional British troops being sent over, particularly if it's confined to keeping law and order for the citizens of Afghanistan, who have endured enough pain and suffering.
Sometimes I think we have a tendency to try and compare this effort to past military campaigns, which I don't agree with. This isn't WWII, it's not Vietnam, and I hope like crazy it's not about oil like it was in the Gulf. It's about the innocent people who died on September 11, and another 3,000+ more innocent people in Afghanistan who have died as a consequence of those actions of a few religious fanatics being used as puppets by Osama.
I don't think of this campaign as one of 'revenge' or 'imperialism' or really anything else I read out there. It's about defending freedoms of everyone we can, not just the Afghan people or those who fly on planes and live/work in skyscrapers.
"Energy and persistence conquer all things".
Why send more troops to fight a war which has no clearly defined goals or objectives? Who is the Enemy? Why did the Enemy become the Enemy? And finally whose interests are we serving? Let's think about those questions and try to find some logical answers to them.
To Dee, Switzerland: Who exactly are "we" supposed to "talk to"? Who would we negotiate with? What would we negotiate over? There hasn't even been any clear logic or reasoning behind the terrorism.
Dee, Switzerland
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