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Monday, 21 January, 2002, 12:52 GMT
Can talks on Cyprus bring peace?
The two leaders of the divided island of Cyprus opened up a new round of talks on Wednesday in a fresh attempt to resolve their long running dispute.
Greek Cypriot President Glafcos Clerides and his Turkish counterpart Rauf Denktash have committed themselves to what the United Nations hopes will be several months of talks. The aim by mid-summer is a settlement of one of the most intractable disputes in the world. The new year presents an historic opportunity for the two sides, with Cyprus likely to be invited to join the European Union. But Turkey also aspires to EU membership in due course, and its chances will be much improved if the Cyprus issue can be resolved. If Cyprus joins the EU as a divided island - with Turkey technically an occupying power in the north - Turkey's prospects of membership will be damaged and EU expansion could be derailed. What are the hopes for these talks between the two sides being successful? What do you think the consequences would be for the European Union? This Talking Point has now closed. Please read a selection of your comments below.
Turan, UK
It is sad to see how economic interests and military power can pull the strings of world politics. It seems to me that human rights always come second. The fact is that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots deserve to be able to move freely within their country. The longer it takes to solve the problem the harder it will become to find a viable solution. The Turkish regime of the northern part (that was supposed to protect Turkish Cypriots) is only making the situation worse by driving Turkish Cypriots away from the island. I think we've all had enough. It is time to settle this problem. Let's just hope that Denktash is not bluffing, as he has before!
Spyros, Greece
The occupied part of Cyprus is recognised only by Turkey. If Turkey would like to join the EU then Turkish troops must evacuate the occupied part of the island and let the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live in peace as they did previously with no outside influence from other countries. After all, what we all want in life is peace without the intervention of troops.
I was born on the island at RAF Akrotiri and have been back three times. The island is breathtakingly beautiful and I hope I see the day when my Mum and Dad can relive their teenage years there, as they have so often described to us.
The Cyprus problem started long before 1974. Athens is to blame for the mess. There has been peace on the island since 1974. What is all the fuss about?
Why aren't the Turkish Cypriot people recognised? What about the rights of the Turkish Cypriot? Why all the embargos against us? The EU is not helping, as they too have been turned against us by the Greeks, who are very good at playing the masked political game.
The accession of Cyprus as a whole to the EU could result in giving Turkish Cypriots the feeling of security they want regarding Greek Cypriots. The EU would pour a lot of money into the underdeveloped North and along with the respect of everybody's human rights the island could at last face the future positively.
Can a couple get back together 30 years after a nasty divorce? I would like to hope so but I am afraid it is not possible.
Burhan, UK
This is politics at its worse. Cyprus is divided. The southern part is favoured by the Greek government while the northern part is in a way part of the Turkish government. They have been having opposing views to the matter since 1974 and no side seems to be willing to stand down.
The Turkish side continues to be punished for bringing peace to the island. The Greek side that were the true terrorists have been supported by the international community ever since. This is because the international community has been fooled into thinking the Cyprus Problem started in 1974... Mike Isaacs, UK I think that, although people can have their own views, it helps if we try to talk and act according to internationally recognised principles of justice and truth:
If both groups can live together peacefully here in the UK, which they do, then there is definitely hope.
The main problem is the politicians.
It's about time for a proper solution that will not be destroyed easily. Focusing on the similarities and not the differences, as well as no interference from outside, will move Turkish and Greek Cypriots forward.
If Cyprus joins the EU, it will effectively mean the union of the island with the Hellenic Republic. It will mean that refugees can return to their homes, thus making the Hellenic community a majority in the now occupied territories, thus ensuring them control of the "regional" government. It will also mean the expulsion of the illegal Turkish settlers who will not be granted citizenship by the Cypriot government. Evidently, there is no reason why Turkey and Denktash would see any benefit in changing the status quo for admission into the EU.
Peter Volford, Hungary
Natasha Maguder, England
If both groups can live together peacefully here in the UK, which they do, then there is definitely hope.
The main problem is the politicians.
Ushi Guruk, UK
Fact One: Turkey was condemned by the vast majority of countries in the UN General Assembly on multiple occasions for the invasion of Cyprus.
Okan Baysan, UK
Kerem, UK
I think that people tend to forget the real issue in Cyprus is very simple. Turkey invaded the island (a member of UN) in 1974 and since then occupies about 40% of it. The international community should
demand that Turkey respects the decisions of the United Nations Security Council and withdraw its troops from the island.
Murat, UK
I am a Greek Cypriot born in Famagusta which is now in Northern Cyprus. I have lived here in England since I was a baby. If I wanted to go to Cyprus I would not be able to visit the area where I was born. I think it's a total disgrace that the island is divided and the sooner there is access to all areas the better.
Nina, US
To Nina, US - how can Turkey be part of the EU? They invaded Cyprus in 1974; they will not recognise responsibility for the genocides of Kurds and Greeks in the 1920s and they are still killing Kurds for the sake of the old Ottoman empire.
To Nina, USA. How come Turkey be part of the EU? They invaded Cyprus in 1974, they cannot recognise they are responsible for the genocides of Kurds and Greeks in the 1920s, and they are still killing Kurds for the sake's of the old Ottoman empire.
When two sides fail to solve what we see as the problem for over 50 years, it becomes obvious that they don't see it as the problem to solve. The Greek Cypriots see the problem as tying Cyprus to Greece, and the Turks see the problem as the risk of losing yet another piece of Turkish identity and territory. Neither side see the problem as making life convenient for us nor for the EU.
Yet another belligerent country threatening violence. When will the West wake up to this threat?
In 1974, Turkey gave human rights to the people of what is now the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. If it hadn't been for the Turkish army occupying the north, then the Greek Cypriots would have continued with their aggressive policy of occupation. Reuniting the island under the Greek Cypriot proposals would allow them to continue on their road to the unification of Cyprus with Greece. You might say I'm living in the past, but the hatred is still evident on both sides, and I seriously don't think you could expect these people to live in harmony after reunification.
David Walsh has got his facts wrong. The Greek Cypriots were and are the government. The atrocities committed by the Turkish occupying forces have been documented. David, spreading misinformation does not help.
The interests of Turkey and Greece on the island can easily be justified. But the interference of other nations and the EU is not good for either party. Forcing them to negotiate is OK but preferring one side over the other does not help at all.
Luckily most people seemed to want a settlement of some sorts although this will be tricky because Greek Cypriot people forced out of their homes by Turks want to go home. They won't accept a loose federation that disallows this but of course you could simply force a deal on the people in which both halves would have an equal state inside the federation using the same currency. The pot of gold that awaits Cyprus if it can sort this mess out and get in the EU is enormous. Turkey would probably accept such a deal because it would mean that current EU members would now have to take Turkey's application to join the EU seriously. The problem then lies with Greece because they really want to get a Cyprus settlement that annoys Turkey and at the same time gives Greece (and other EU anti-Turkey members) a good reason never to allow Turkey to join the EU which of course would be very bad!
AG, Japan
It's exactly the same situation as Palestine and Northern Ireland. Two masses cannot occupy the same space at the same time but both sides are too proud to give in.
Bernard, UK
Let the Cypriots have a national referendum on their own organised by the UN. Let them decide for themselves what direction to take and tell Greece and Turkey to stand back and let the Cypriots decide for themselves. If they
cannot decide then let the island be separated and live in peace.
I think there's a way to talk around the problem, but I'll be dashed if I can see it.
Michael, UK
There are two independent nations represented on that island. The situation is no different to Bosnia splitting from Yugoslavia. People should stop blaming Turkey. After all, Turkey is not the one that staged a military coup back in 1974. People should learn to deal with the facts.
I was born in 1978, four years after the invasion. I've been studying the history and facts about Cyprus for a long time now and have tried to write them here as objectively as possible but found out it takes up too much space. The extremists from both the Greek and Turkish sides are largely responsible for this situation as were the British authorities in the 1950s who used a policy of divide and rule. Generally, it's a world of foreign interests. I can't visit any other country by land means, so why should I be restricted in my own?
Andreas, Belgium/Cyprus
The UN should broker an agreement that splits the island between Greece and Turkey and solve this dispute once and for all.
Why should Turkey suddenly want to allow 200,000 refugees back to their homes? As long as it remains a dependant US ally, they don't have to respect anybody's human rights. The West needs to open its eyes - Turkey will never give any human rights as long as we choose to appease its actions for the sake of the countries geo-political importance.
It appears Greece has the weaker stand on thwarting the EU's efforts to enlarge their membership. Turkey's threat of annexing northern Cyprus will ignite another everlasting conflict between Greece and Turkey. Peace is under the EU's feet. And the people of Cyprus have an obvious choice.
How sensible of Turkey to make a difficult situation even worse by their threats. And this from a country that wants to join the EU itself... what's even odder is that it's not even a European nation.
Michael, Dublin - you have hit the nail on the head. Why is the EU even considering Turkey's application, when it is proving to be a threat to security in the Eastern Mediterranean, with threats of war and annexation of the northern part of Cyprus? The EU needs to force Turkey to stay out of the Cyprus problem and let the Cypriots sort it out for themselves. The Turkish Cypriots are suffering enough under the occupation; they have time and time again stated that they do not want to be governed by Turkey. Remove Turkey and Denktash from the equation and the Cypriots will join together in peace with a common goal of EU membership.
Mark and Michael: It's amazing how you are totally blurring the facts. Since the Ottoman Empire Turkey has been in constant relation with the west a lot more than with the east. Its greatest trading partners today are Italy, France, the USA and so on. It is the only true democracy in the Islamic world and Europe needs Turkey for precisely that reason.
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