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Monday, 27 July, 1998, 15:28 GMT 16:28 UK
Girl power: Has sex equality gone too far? Your reaction
No, I don't think sex equality has gone too far. The problem lies in society as a whole. There seems to be a loss of respect for people, property and feelings to name but a few. People have become too materialistic and have lost their way. They are concerned more about possessions than they are about their fellow humans. If we treat everybody the same (no matter what colour or religion) then women wouldn't feel like they had to be men. Women + Men = Humanity, so let's behave like an intelligent, loving and peaceful species.
Jon, UK
I like to have a man open a door for me. I like men, all ages, to stand up when I come into a room. I like a man to offer me a chair, but I also like to be equal to men. I would never hit anyone. I like to dress in jeans, but also to dress as a lady.
When I last worked in England (25 years ago) women worked hard to achieve recognition in the business community. I think the concept in those days was towards unisex - no bias in favour of any sex or sub-sex group. I suspect it was only the ultra competitiveness of the USA female that distracted British women from "equality" as now they clearly seek "superiority". And this is not limited to Great Britain.
"Girl Power?" Not to long ago, we fought to be called "women," and now we're back to "girls."
Give women more and more. They need it. Men enjoyed their freedom for long and without any opposition. If we give women their full rights, if we give women their right to say no, I think we will have a new generation of free women. If we notice what happens during and after revolutions eg French, African continent and Iranian, we will understand the current situation. Laissez faire, laissez passer I think is the best policy.
I like to have a man open a door for me, I like men, all ages to stand up when I come into a room, I like a man to offer me a chair. But I also like to be equal to men. I would never hit anyone. I like to dress in jeans, but also to dress as a lady.
A lady should always behave like one. To hit anyone, to fight, to use slang, is to lower your standards. Let's keep men manly, and women as females. Who wants an aggressive female?
Girl Power is a commercially manufactured term, which has very little to do with the issue of gender equality. It does seem, though, as if the struggle for equal opportunities in Britain has turned into a silly battle of the sexes where the main question is whether the lads can still enjoy their pint and football, without the foul tempered feminists taking the poor lads' pleasures away from them. This turn of events would not have mattered if women in Britain really had equal opportunities to men, but this media hype seems to conceal the big issues at stake such as equal pay for equal work.
Sex equality? Women have the upper hand. That's called positive discrimination. (It's only positive if you're a woman).
Women are slowly heading for a male backlash as they start to push beyond reason. Let's just stop at being equal, without all this nonsense about who's better, and who should be biased for/against.
Finally, laddish behaviour in blokes can be as low as it gets. Why do women want to lower themselves to this level?
Girl Power is interpreted in different ways. Only confused young girls give the definition of Girl Power as "Bullying, punching, kicking, head-butting and stabbing" other boys. Obviously, that wasn't the intention of Girl Power, the intention was to give EVERYBODY (including boys) a feeling of confidence and positivity. It's another word for People Power, really.
Why can't feminists refer to themselves as, say, "equalitarians"? After all, the original ideal of feminism advocated equality, but it now seems that some feminists have left that behind and are simply hell-bent on domination.
I applaud and admire women like Anita Roddick who have proved to other women that they can succeed with the right amount of determination and intelligence.
Well, I could write quite a bit about this. I am a 40 year old GP with a 6 year old boy and an 8 year old girl. I was heavily influenced by but just missed out on the hairy armpit feminism of the 70s. Physical violence is not a form of human behaviour to be exalted in either sex. Girls doing it don't make them equal, it makes them equally bereft of any other form of communication. It reflects a poverty of communication that afflicts many people. The big mistake is to justify it if girls do it. There is a new political correctness that allows females to do things eg be violent, that males cannot do. Such correctness is appalling shallowness of thought. Violence is wrong, be it perpetrated by those of either sex, any colour or any religion. I am not answering the question, as in some areas there is not equality of opportunity, but in many others feminism has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams. The question as phrased is too simple, but if you are asking, is violence acceptable in girls, then my opinion is no.
Is this really a question of sexual equality or inequality as it is one of a general decline in the mores of society?
How can "equality" go too far? Otherwise it must become inequality again. Violence and aggression should be tackled across the sexes; not be seen as the preserve of one.
With the Spice Girls on the verge of collapse, there is not going to be anyone positive for young girls to look up to, so they might become too aggressive.
Definitely the girls of today need to get a grip of themselves. I am 24 and am embarrassed by that study.
I applaud girl power. I do not applaud girl yobbos. Let's have more equality and less stupidity.
The last 10 years or so has seen a blurring of roles between men and women, to the detriment of both in my opinion. Both sexes should learn to be content with who/what they are, rather than trying to be something else. The recent breakdown of 'normal' married life seems to have happened at about the same time - a coincidence?
Unfortunately the masculine approach has far more power than the feminine approach.
This question is far too complicated for a simple yes/no answer. It's all well and good for women to have equal rights, but for them to cause an equal number of crimes? I don't think that's good. On the other hand, it's certainly true that men need to be less violent.
It's hypocritical for men to claim that women should be less violent. We men need to clean up our act first, and then, probably, the women will follow suit ... assuming they don't beat us to it, and clean up their act first.
Really it's not so much sex equality, it's more physical prowess. There's nothing wrong with 'girl power' in business, the boardroom, politics etc. But why some females think that by being masculine makes them equal is beyond me. Equality is conducive to femininity, female oafishness is not.
Although things are improving there is still not equality in the way men and women are viewed in society. Women are still expected to act demure and lady-like and not indulge in 'loutish' behaviour that is reserved for our male counterparts. Whilst I don't condone violence I do think women should have the right to defend themselves and violence committed by women should not be viewed as any different to violence committed by men.
Sex equality hasn't gone "too far", but "girl power" is pointless if it means women and girls merely acting in the same violent, idiotic ways that most men do. Don't let them sink to that level.
Violent behaviour is a problem within the person who commits it, irrelevant of their sex. Look at the problem of why PEOPLE are violent, instead of using it as an excuse to rail against feminism. Are you suggesting that it's socially acceptable for men to behave violently?
As women still do not have equality the question is rather ill phrased. The aggression shown by these teenagers is all part of the yobbish culture that is being portrayed on TV, on the radio (Zoe Ball, for example) and in magazines like 'More' and 'Loaded'.
It's not about girls being more like boys, it's about acceptable behaviour. Fighting is unacceptable, whether it involves boys OR girls.
I think women should concentrate their Girl Power on fighting for world peace. If they could pull that off then they could say that they accomplished more than men ever could.
As an Asian, I cannot accept girls who smoke in public and speak foul languages. It is still good to maintain certain ladylike (not the very old fashioned way) behaviour and that's what romance is all about. A man wants to go after a dear sweetheart and not a fighting hen.
Girl Power = No Power. If you equate ladies behaving badly to having power, then power should be given a new definition. The Spice Girls started this Girl Power, yet with all their 'power' they still result to the age old gimmick of 'showing a bit of flesh' to sell records. If they had real power, they would know that people should judge them on their singing ability alone, not by the amount of flesh they show or how much of their sex life they tell us about.
There is a difference between equality-as-empowerment and equality-in-stupidity. Sex equality is only positive in its ability to empower individuals, regardless of their gender, to thrive in a way which enhances their and everyone's life experience. What we seem to so often see now is not sex equality, but rather the reification and adoption of a limited set of behaviours typically associated with the male gender, rather than the encouragement of individuals of either gender to think and act for themselves. Physical strength is useful and important, to be sure, but equality bound to the lowest common denominator may well be said to be self defeating for everybody. From this point of view, sex equality, rather than going too far, still has a long way to go.
Girls have been taught to disparage femininity and traditional feminine contributions to society. Also, feminism has "progressed" from empowering girls and women to emasculating boys and men. As girls experience increasingly less legitimate, responsible masculinity, they are less inspired to cultivate feminine attributes. Thirdly, a pop culture that celebrates mindlessness and violence leads girls (who are not being raised with values and standards to begin with in many cases) to prize "equality" with boys that requires no mental effort or self-discipline. Finally, although there is much more to say about this, an almost complete breakdown of authority, discipline and respect in any society will quickly discourage cultivation and bring out that which is most reprehensible and disgusting in humans of both sexes, perhaps, especially, the sex that imagines it has some catching up to do. The thugs who beat a 15-year-old girl unconscious should be punished but probably will not be.
Sex equality may have gone too far for the males who want to desperately hang on to whatever male domination that remains in our societies.
I'd say it's gone far enough. Nineties women behave like old-style men. They drink pints, sport tattoos, start fights, work for a living and insult and belittle the opposite sex as inferiors.
I believe that the feminist movement, which
began as a quest for women's equality,
has taken a course that is not helpful to
to the original goal of the movement, but it also isn't correct. While we would all agree that women deserve an equal place in society, there are certain limits, physically and mentally, that women cannot cross. However, in believing that they can make all aspects of society equal, many women have chosen to test their limits in trying to prove to society that they can be all that men can be. In combat or in the sports arena, women simply cannot compete physically with males, although there are a few exceptions. Their mindstate is also proven to be more fragile than a male's. Perhaps the stereotypical quality of non-agression in females is something they were meant to be born with. Women are trying to be like men, without preserving the distinctiveness of their gender.
It is about time that females asserted thier power that has been supressed so long.
Definitely gone too far! My wife discovered women's lib about 20 years ago and life has been hell ever since!
It's a positive thing that girls and women are able to fight off an attacker and not become victims in the way that they may have been expected to be in the past. The fact that some girls are being aggressive in the way that some boys are is a problem that needs to be addressed regardless of sex.
Please, don't confuse truancy, plain violent behaviour, lack of manners, lack of education, delinquency, no self-control, no class, etc, with GIRL POWER.
I may be old-fashioned (my wife is nodding furiously) but I can remember when men used to say "Vive la difference". With today's generation of females, it's often a case of "Spot the difference - if you can!"
Definitely not! I would love to meet a princess in shining armour who would whisk me away and defend me from all harm! The problem isn't strong, assertive women who are able to defend themselves, the problem is a culture that promotes "lad-ism" for everyone, male OR female.
It seems very obvious to me that indeed, the interpretation of girlpower as shown - physical - is something one could call "overheating". I think if all these women, not wanting to generalisie however, feel they need to physically fight in order to be equal to men, are forgetting what is so important to femininity: Being able to BE a female, and making use of those strengths and qualities to get done what they want. |
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