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Thursday, 1 March, 2001, 12:24 GMT
The Brits: Best of British pop?
Craig David, who has appeared from nowhere to become a household name in 18 months, had six nominations, but went home with nothing.
Rock band Coldplay won best British band and best British album for Parachutes.
But have the judges got it right this year? Who should have been up for a Brit this year, but missed out? And is British music worth praising at the moment?
This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.
Mike Parker, England
As boring and dull as the Grammys are they do give awards to such fields as jazz, classical and gospel. As long as the Brits continues to pander to the teenybopper demographic it (and the UK records industry) will continue to be regarded with derision.
I think that although the Brit awards may seem unfair, they are an exciting and fun part of British pop and media. Let's face it, none of us would turn down a ticket there would we? We should congratulate and be pleased for people like Robbie who have managed to do something cool with their lives.
I'm sorry Andrew McDonald but the reason that Eminem said what he said about Steely Dan is because they do mean nothing to most young people. They are only still around because the people who bought their records in the 70s are also still around! Just as in the same way, 16 year olds will look back with fond memories of Eminem in 20 years time.
Face it - you're just showing your age. Be like me and don't be embarrassed to admit it!
I think we should rename the Brit Awards the Robbie Awards since it is always the same guy who gets all the awards every year even if there is a much more talented new artist called Craig David in competition. The show started with his name shown in the middle of the stage surrounded by giant awards as if the Brits were him. And could you tell me what David Ginola and Jamie Oliver with his wife were doing on the stage? Can we focus more about music, please?
The Brit Awards? A complete joke!
Can I just say: Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. British music at its best.
I am in total agreement with Pete from England who laments over the total blanking by the British musuc Industry of Iron Maiden who have been making quality music for over 20 years. Despite no radio airplay they've also been selling out arenas and stadiums globally since the early 1980s and have recently headlined the Rock in Rio festival, probably the biggest concert in the world. But no recognition is forthcoming from the industry they have given so much to, instead it awards "bands" like A1. We really are in trouble if that is the state of things in British music.
Eminem stated "Who the **** are Steely Dan" after winning his award. He can ask again in 20 years time when their songs will still be remembered, unlike his talentless rantings over backbeats.
The Brits are becoming as unfashionable as the Grammys, with Robbie and Coldplay (medium-talented also-rans in the grand scheme of things) triumphing over Craig David, who despite his egotism is clearly the most talented man in British pop right now. People, wake up, how are we going to create great music for future generations when we give best band and album to "the new Travis" who themselves were dubbed "the new Oasis". Craig David, Artful Dodger, Eminem and Kelis are at least original and highly talented.
The most vulgar aspect of the Brits was the award given to A1. It is time the British music industry stopped pushing these manufactured boy and girl bands and targeting the pre-pubescent audiences who fall for these talentless, stage-school drop outs. The music industry will self-destruct (witness the massive devaluation of the charts) unless someone does something soon.
Not a mention of course for Iron Maiden, once arguably the biggest heavy metal band in the world, who put out another great (but ignored) album this year. I just don't know what anyone sees in the rubbish that picks up awards these days. It baffles me. Where is the compositional creativity?
Daniel Martin, Chicago, USA
The Brits should represent British music as a whole, therefore they can't really ignore manufactured bands if they have been successful. When I was a teenager most of my favourite artists didn't get a look in, and I think the Brits lacked variety back then because the whole thing was so snobbish.
Craig David gets nominated for 6 awards after an outstanding debut year in the music business yet he doesn't get an award even for best newcomer. How can that be possible? The only pop act with a certain degree of musical creditability with dance crossover falls victim to pathetic manufactured pap.
Don't get me wrong. British music fills the air, sometimes polluted by low quality, prefab teen music (normally American music). I do agree with all the positive comments (mainly from overseas) which declare that Brit music is the best in the world.
I love the Brits, they just get funnier and funnier. A1 as best British Newcomers - hysterical! And Craig David not winning anything - I haven't stopped laughing yet!
Poor Craig David. I have never seen what is so great about Robbie Williams. And as for A1 winning best newcomer... I think that just demonstrates how rubbish Radio 1 has become over the years, that the majority of their listeners who voted did so for a talentless bunch of kids.
Thank God, the music scene in the UK is more varied than the representation it receives at the Brits. The Brits are just a tap on the back of the big commercial scene, and don't encourage, as they should, creativity! Surprised Madonna got a gong at all with a rather daring album for an artist of her stature.
Colin S, UK
Of course this whole thing is stupid - but just relax! Buy the records you like, and don't buy the stuff you hate!
Brit Awards? - Isle of Wight. That's rhyming slang, by the way.
Lynne Cameron, Scotland
Respect goes out to Robbie not for the awards (even though I reckon he deserved them) but for avoiding a verbal punch up with Oasis. Now that his ex is expecting a little Gallagher it's admirable that he's buried the hatchet. He's an example to youngsters across the UK. As for the awards themselves, I'm reasonably happy with them myself, I think that this year's awards are fairly realistic and in the main well deserved.
The picture of Robbie Williams with a handful of awards and Craig David empty handed symbolises the credibility of the Brit Awards. Craig David is a ray of sunshine in the declining British music industry - what a tragedy it turns its back on him. Hearsay/Inner Spin should now start writing their acceptance speeches for next year.
I'm getting heartily sick of Robbie Williams - that bloke has become so over-rated it's not true, and it seems that everyone is happy to collude in the fiction of his excellence, normally with something along the lines of "He's an entertainer."
What I don't understand is: why doesn't people like Tom Waits or Nick Cave ever win these awards? Surely they've created some of the best music these past decades. I did like U2 winning a prize.
Chris Connors, USA
In terms of inventive quality pop music Britain still seems to have more than anywhere else. British culture encourages musical involvement to a MUCH greater degree than other countries. However, since airplay is hugely determined by sales and marketing, and the biggest purchasers are the 10-16 age range, the music we are all (worldwide) subjected to, tends to be aimed at that market... Perhaps if MP3 and CD burning can continue to strangle the record companies, the cost of music will rise - pushing the cost of music outside the scope of kids - lifting the age of the average consumer?
Have we gone mad giving an award for best newcomer to A1? That should be Craig David. I can hardly believe it. Ridiculous!
Why aren't artists like Primal Scream, The Charlatans, Ian Brown and Richard Ashcroft nominated? Even The The's Naked Self album which has got to be the most overlooked album of the year. And please, please would someone PLEASE take Ronan Keating off the nomination list for Best International Male Solo Artist! He's got no right to be there. A talentless embarrassment to our country.
The Brits are an accurate representation of the current UK music scene - garbage.
Stephen Nelson, France
Why haven't Pet Shop Boys been given a "lifetime achievement award"? 16 years since West End Girls and still going strong. If the Spice Girls were eligible after 5 years then why not Neil and Chris?
British music is still the best in the world. However, it isn't as good as it used to be. I'm 18 and can't stand any of this garage, house, r&b etc. I don't even know what it is! The 60s 70s and 80s were far superior to now. I am an avid Queen fan and will openly admit it. Music has been getting worse since Freddie died.
Talk about rose tinted glasses - M.A. Deal. I think you'll find the 70s produced some fine examples of manufactured pop rubbish. Think back to Gary Glitter or The Bay City Rollers!
It was this type of music that led to the invention of punk, the subsequent "New Wave" and an era when British music truly set world trends.
It's highly likely that a similar cycle will follow this present pattern, so let's not despair too much.
The Brit Awards reflect nothing of any value in today's popular music. Therefore, they are 'The Weakest Link' - goodbye!
No matter what you say about the Brits, they are still better than our Grammys.
English music at the moment is pretty poor - there's not much original stuff out there. But I prefer blandness to the awful Destiny's Child and guy bands we have over here in the States.
This awards ceremony is no longer about music but about image. Those who make it in the now depressing world of pop music get there because of what they look like - very few have any musical talent.
British chart music is and has always has been "grotesque sickly sweet pap" with of course the odd exception. The mid 90's was a purple patch with the Britpop revolution but things seem to be tailing off again with the return of manufactured artists
or should I say performers. A lot of real British talent just doesn't get any daytime exposure. My personal favourite at the moment is David Gray, a huge talent.
I would like to know why the Brits only give awards to "older" artists as "lifetime achievement" awards.
Some of these artists are still putting out great and challenging music. They get Grammys in America but the Brits ignore them.
I don't agree with Steve MacDonald who says that, "The Brits is a reflection of the music played on today's radio. It seems the awards tend to go to the most commercially popular acts rather than the most creative or innovative bands, groups and artists". What about bands such as Radiohead who are hardly suffering from radio-play saturation? Likewise Coldplay, who though they are undeniably successful and commercial, are not 'manufactured' and are unusual and innovative.
That show Popstars said everything there was to say about where the Brits stand. Why not have an award for Best Manufactured British Tosh instead?
I find it hard to get excited about any of the nominees - and why on earth are Radiohead on the list? I didn't realise there was a category for "Most Self Indulgent Album" of the year award. I can only guess that it's the "King's new clothes" scenario all over again.
The Brits have never been about recognising talent or innovation and they never will be.
Does anyone who is seriously into music, really take these awards ceremonies seriously anyway? They are there to raise artists' profiles and increase sales.
I say let S Club 7 win everything, will it really matter???
Today's 'popular' music must be a contradiction in terms. Without TV advertisement, record company hype and local radio stations, as well as Radio One, this rubbish noise would never sell, only amongst the brain dead. I am from an older generation who finds dance music and teeny pop groups, in all their various forms, worse than torture. There are some good rock groups out there, Radiohead and the Manics among them and they should be dominating the airwaves. Astonishingly, I hear more of their kind of music on Radio Two than on commercial radio stations. All this manufactured pop nonsense would never have stood a chance in the 70s, when bands such as Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple were the masters.
Clive Mitchell, UK
I think the Brit awards might be better described as the best of British manufactured rubbish.
It would have been nice to see some nominations for artists who have released music that's truly original and challenging, such as Goldfrapp's Felt Mountain album, or The The's Naked Self, rather than just the usual mainstream manufactured tosh.
Maybe I'm just getting old (25), but I do think the Brits are a bit more on the ball than they used to be. It was a good idea to have separate categories for pop, so that the high-selling low-quality teenybop stuff is ring-fenced and you don't have S Club 7 beating Radiohead. Sadly the UK music scene isn't as exciting as it was in the mid-90's, so the dearth of good nominees isn't the Brits' fault.
After reading the nominees, there are none which I could say I particularly like, or would buy. This is not because I'm not into music - I couldn't be without it - but I do not feel inspired by what's on show here. Maybe I'm turning away from the lure of 'popular music' - in effect, turning into my parents!!
Steve McDonald, UK
How else would the vacuous pretty people feel important?
The nominations don't offer much in the way of originality or even good music this year. The exceptions being Badly Drawn Boy and Coldplay. The former with some truly great songs and latter whilst not being entirely original (it is still in the whiney indie mould) adds something of a twist and they do have some excellent songs. Moloko are another possibility but they aren't my cup of tea so I don't want to comment one way or the other...
I'm hoping to see Napalm Death getting some awards this year. A real manufactured teeny pop band...
I think Leanne Rimes should be up for an award. She has a great voice and she sang the no 1 song for the no 1 film, Coyote Ugly.
As long as the grotesque sickly sweet pap that occupies the Top 40 isn't represented then there is maybe something worth celebrating.
However new, innovative and critically acclaimed bands like Kinobe and Bent who don't have commercial success behind them won't be represented.
It seems that the people who nominate the Brits are on a hiding to nothing really.
For originality in music, which is a rare commodity these days, I prefer to look at the entrants in the Mercury Music Prize. The Brits is just a showcase and always has been.
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