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Power to Abuse, Sunday November 5 2000
Your programme was very well done and provided an excellent public service. I understand that Archbishop Ward was previously known as Fr. Aloysius, he is/was a Franciscan, and he worked in a number of other areas of both England and Wales, including, for example Peckham. I too am puzzled as to his motivation for seemingly being 'naïve' regarding some of his indefensible actions when he clearly failed to protect children from persons he had to suspect as, at very least, high risk potential abusers. His lack of knowledge and application of his own diocesan guidelines are, in my view, incredible.
I happen to have known both Joe Jordan and Archbishop Ward, though only superficially in both cases. Jordan was and is an extremely manipulative and convincing character, and, among other things a superb actor. I was present for one day of his trial, and was quite taken in by his behaviour in the witness box. He was a picture of outraged innocence. Before his ordination, as your programme suggested, he cultivated the persona of a bluff football-loving 'lad' without a shadow of sexual deviance about him.
Priests abusing the trust children and parents allow them is an awful thing.
But at least you - Panorama - got to them and exposed them.
Good job, keep digging
All I can say is I am disgusted and very upset of what I have just watched. As I have suffered from abuse I know how it feels that someone you trust is so evil and twisted to put anyone through what I experienced. Let alone any priests. And Ward does not deserve to be in the house of god after what sins he has done in not stopping such animals. Eight years is nothing compared to how myself and other victims feel. Our pain will last forever no thanks to nature rejects.
I am worried that with the new government regulations coming in youth organisations will not be able to vet applicants.
The Scout Association estimates that it will have to spend up to £750,000 on enquiry procedures next year. Why doesn't the Home Office make this information free to the organisations that desperately need accurate information.
I work in a supportive capacity with survivors of child sexual abuse. I also work with paedophiles in confronting their behaviour and challenging them to take responsibility for their actions. Your programme further confirms that there are societal obstacles to eradicating child sexual abuse. It is now fast emerging that as well as those who unwittingly provide comfort and support for paedophiles and their activities there are those who knowingly and quite deliberately provide pathways for paedophiles to fuel what is a national health epidemic. Paedophiles who have been caught often tell me that they are just the tip of the iceberg and that there are those in powerful positions in society who can never be caught because few will believe that those who hold high office can behave in such a way and, of course once in such positions powerful paedophiles obtain help from their powerful colleagues to escape detection and/or prosecution. It is thanks to the media interest that these matters are finally being aired and debated. Despite what some professionals say, survivors not only obtain great comfort and support from the media interest it is also giving many the courage to come forward and expose those who have hidden behind the secrecy and shame of society.
Only the Pope can retire John Aloysius. Priests are not vetted properly in the seminaries today.
We should not be quick to tar every priest with the same brush, that is common sense. Nor should those accused falsely be in any way held in lower esteem: imagine if teachers knew that even proven false accusations would end their careers.
More important, I feel, is the issue of the way the Catholic Church views its priests and student priests. Believe it or not they are not considered employees: so the Church never claims legal responsibility for their actions. This must change. Also, we must ask why human rights legislation is not applied to the Church.
The Government should act to see that the Church - which above any other organisation should be a model for such practice - treats its priests in a proper way.
As a young catholic I have been brought up to live by example of those who present themselves as representatives of my religion. With figures such as John Ward it is no wonder that the number of church-goers especially in younger members of the community has decreased. As far as I am concerned he is just as responsible for those terrible acts as those that actually committed them. He should resign immediately in order to preserve what faith is left in catholic priests before more harm is done.
While it is clearly vital that the role of Archbishop Ward be examined following the case of Father Jordan, the Archbishop is surely not the only Catholic official who should bear responsibility for having allowed Jordan to be ordained. Did Cardiff Archdiocese accept Jordan for ordination without a recommendation from the Rector of the English College - the man responsible for Jordan's priestly training? Did the Rector, a priest of Plymouth diocese, recommend Jordan to Cardiff in spite of the concerns of Bishop Budd of Plymouth? Did those responsible for Jordan's pastoral training have encouraged him to gain experience through developing ministries in schools and to children preparing to receive the sacraments? Did they have access to Jordan's file, where details of the previous court case must surely have been available? Was the Spiritual Director of the English College - now the Secretary of the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales - unable to perceive the problems in Jordan's psychological make-up?
One of the defenders of Archbishop Ward from up here in the North east is also an unremitting critic of a very brave Edinburgh priest, Father Steve Gilhooley. He suffered sexual abuse at the hands of priests while he was a youngster and is now coming to terms with it through the writing of a book about his experiences. Some in the Church consider this a betrayal since in naming those responsible he is allowing outsiders to pass judgement on further Catholic wrongdoings. As a Catholic I respect and salute his honesty. I wonder if those Catholics who have bleated on about the anti-Catholic nature of last Sunday's excellent programme will greet his revelations in the same way.
The National Association for People Abused in Childhood is a new charity currently being set up to support and help adults who were abused as children. As someone abused by catholic priests myself I totally support the efforts of the excellent Panorama team for bringing this subject to the fore. All abuse is unacceptable. Abuse by clergy is evil beyond doubt. As a charity we are aware of the very many people who's lives have been destroyed by abuse. However, when that abuse is carried out in the name of 'God' then peoples faith is also destroyed. A double 'whammy' that some will never recover from.
We would echo the comments made by one of your other correspondents that we must never forget that most child abuse takes place within families however Archbishop Ward epitomises for many why so many clergy cannot be trusted and I agree with other comments that this man be not only removed from office but be the subject of some intense investigation. He is clearly dangerous.
Anyone wishing to contact the national association may do so by writing to NAPAC, 42 Curtain Road. London EC2A 3NH.
NAPAC is planning to launch a national information line for adults abused in childhood and that will hopefully happen in the New Year.
West of Scotland
I am relieved to read that I'm not the only one who heard alarm bells ringing when Archbishop Ward squirmed on the hook, but surely if we do not insist on an investigation into his motives are we not as guilty of turning a blind eye as he is?
I have written to the Papal Nuncio on 3 occasions about the low morale and lack of audit & supervision within the Cardiff archdiocese.
Cronyism is a big curse with autocracy at the top. The men attracted to high office around the archbishop are of poor quality and against this background stupidity and culpability flourish.
We live in a pluralist secular society with a free press. As a practising Catholic with more than 1500 years of documented Christianity behind me, all I can say that any Catholic who is shocked by the revelations in Panorama and who criticises the notion that any bishop is accountable is a poor apology for a catholic given what Christ's attitude was to hierarchical structures.
Am I correct in my understanding that according to the Catholic Church's Guidelines on abuse issues, when an allegation of sexual abuse is made against an ordained, lay, paid or volunteer, church worker, if the investigation is later dropped or formal charges are dropped, then a question mark still remains over that person's head? In the case of an ordained person this means that he should not be allowed to return to his official duties. If this is correct why then is Archbishop Ward still in office as he was investigated regarding an alleged rape? It seems that double standards are still being practised.
As someone who studied with Joe Jordan I found the programme very disturbing.
I am both amazed and saddened by the scale of abuse that is and has occurred within the church over the past decades.
I'm pleased that the BBC and Panorama have chosen to unearth such horror. Once again I will gladly pay the TV licence fee if your programme continues to pursue the dark and harsh worlds of the evil perverts and criminals who continue to purge our young and innocent children.
May God have mercy on their souls.
I helped to draw up the Church's Guidelines in 1994, and worked on a later commission that produced "Healing the Wound", published by the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales in 1996. I also wrote in the Catholic press on issues relating to child sexual abuse, gave workshops for diocesan priests and lectured in seminaries in England and Spain. I drew on my own experience of sexual abuse in childhood.
I thought this programme was excellent. There is, however, a point relating to the case of Fr John Lloyd that may be worth drawing to your attention. I believe that, following his conviction, the Pope forcibly laicized him (removed him from the priesthood). I saw a report (very brief) in The Tablet around that time. If this was the case, it is the first time a priest has been forcibly laicized following a conviction for child abuse, and the first time the Pope has intervened, over the heads of the local authorities. The removal of such priests from the priesthood is something that I personally would like to see as an automatic consequence of such a conviction. Many survivors of abuse by clergy, their families and communities, would also like to see abusers automatically removed from the priesthood.
Archbishop Jordan should go. It is the duty of the Pope to do something about this mess. How can anyone have any respect for the catholic religion when this kind of thing is so obviously going on and being ignored? There are so many hypocrites in the church how are we ever to know who are the truly good ones? If the pope doesn't do anything about the so-called "Archbishop" then he should go, because he is obviously condoning what is happening.
Mrs L Reilly
After watching this programme I find it difficult to believe that Archbishop Ward is answerable only to the Pope. Your investigations must contain sufficient information to encourage the civil authorities (the police) to investigate the Archbishop further. His position must be untenable. If he will not go, he must be removed.
What the programme highlights is the need in the Church for reappraisal of selection procedures for future priests, an honest discussion of sexuality and its abuse in seminary formation and the appointment of competent, honest and professional rectors, bishops and spokespeople within the Church. Bishop Budd has shown he possess these qualities.
I believe that Archbishop Ward must resign in order to try and regain some sort of standing for The Church in Wales. It is as simple as that.
Wonderful programme that needed making - why was this left unchecked for so long?
I fail to see how one can lose faith with a whole church based on the actions of a few MEN! There are thousands of trustworthy hardworking priests within the church.
What the Catholic church needs to do is stop with damage limitation measures and tackle the problem head on.
Like the Archbishop the church still seems to be guilty of living in the past. The church needs to become street wise!
His Grace, the Archbishop of Cardiff, displayed tonight that he is manifestly unfit to remain in post. If, as he said, he acted in all innocence, then his naivety renders him unable to form an educated opinion on ordinands. He had warnings from fellow bishops and co-trainees of the guilty (inter alia) and yet his arrogance or stupidity allowed him to inform a suspect of the potential charges. Most other citizens in similar circumstances have faced a charge of perverting the course of justice.
He should, henceforth, be addressed as Your Disgrace.
I am appalled at what this programme has uncovered and feel that the catholic hierarchy must be accountable. We are taught to be honest and one clearly is left with the feeling that not everyone in high positions in the catholic church is honest. The abuse of children is such a grave issue that surely the slightest suspicion should be fully investigated. If not, then why not? Could it be to cover up further unwholesome truths? I know personally of a family destroyed by a paedophile deacon, Sam Penny, who similarly bullied and abused altar boys and was simply 'moved on' when complaints were made so that his abuse continued elsewhere. But what is even worse and what adds insult to injury is the high level lies and cover ups and denials of information which ensued. Your programme highlighted a serious and real issue and I hope will continue to do so in order to protect innocent children and innocent 'genuine' priests.
Excellent programme - It is beyond belief how naïve the Catholic church has been. It remains to be seen how many more of these cases are going to be exposed. I'm certain there will be more. It's sickening to see such trusted people abuse their position in society. The church needs drastic reforms to ensure it is more accountable to society at large and not just one man. It makes a mockery of the phrase 'trust in God' - yeah right!!!
Phil Parry failed to ask some crucial questions.
Who 'advised' Ward to inform Jordan that allegations had been made? Has he ever even read the Churches own guidelines?
Why has Ward not been subjected to paedophile-specific assessment? What would Ward have regarded as danger signs? What made him think he was qualified to ignore numerous warnings about Jordan and conclude that he was of suitable character to be a priest? Does he think that forwarding parishioners confidential letters of complaint to the priest being complained about is a fair or effective way of dealing with complaints? Doesn't, "If I'd known he was a paedophile I would never have laid hands on him" sound extremely dodgy?
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