Hassan Wirajuda

Hassan Wirajuda (right) with Australia's Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer.

Stephen Sackur talks to Indonesia's Foreign Minister, Hassan Wirajuda about human rights, democracy and fighting terrorism.

In little more than a decade Indonesia has transformed itself from international pariah to indispensable regional power.

Both George Bush and Tony Blair have made supportive visits to Jakarta in the past year.

Hassan Wirajuda is Indonesia's Foreign Minister.

Behind the diplomatic niceties is there still a gulf between Indonesia's views on human rights and democracy and those in the West?

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