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BBC BREAKFAST WITH FROST INTERVIEW
GARETH SOUTHGATE ENGLAND PLAYER and DAVID DAVIES OCTOBER 8TH, 2000

Please note "BBC Breakfast with Frost" must be credited if any part of this transcript is used.

DAVID FROST

Well now we come to a sad domestic story, it was hardly a glorious finish was it? England beaten 1-0 by Germany in the pouring rain following the resignation┐followed by the resignation of Kevin Keegan. But that's how the last picture of Wembley played itself out yesterday. I'll be joined by the FA's David Davies plus mid-fielder Gareth Southgate, mid-fielder just for a change on this occasion, in a minute, but first here's how it all ended.

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DAVID FROST

Well there it was, that was how it came to an end, David Davies is here, just before coming to the mounting drama I mean we played better in the second half than the first half but was it a poor performance do you think?

DAVID DAVIES

Well it was certainly a poor performance in the first half, I don't think anybody, including the players, including Kevin, would say otherwise. In the second half I think by common consent we had the better of that second half but I think the, the first goal did for us and I think people were very shocked by that first goal and we never really got it, got it back and that's what supporters will think and that's what the team knows.

DAVID FROST

And I mean, can this team play better, yes we've seen it play better on occasions?

DAVID DAVIES

Of course and I think we'll, you're going to be speaking to Gareth Southgate in a few moments and I think Gareth will say that of course the team will want to play better and can play better. They are a terrific collection of players and we support them 120 per cent.

DAVID FROST

We'll come back to that in a second, is Gareth on the phone at the moment?

GARETH SOUTHGATE

Yes, hello David.

DAVID FROST

Hello there Gareth, when you come to write your column about yesterday will you, will you summarise the game roughly as David just did, a poor first half by England, a better second half?

GARETH SOUTHGATE

Yeah I think so, I think that the first half we, we never got, we never got a grip of the game, we didn't have enough movement, we didn't look like troubling Germany and then we were always chasing the game after we conceded the early goal. But I mean the second half was a big improvement and I don't think anybody could have asked any more other than to, to pull the goal back.

DAVID FROST

And in fact were you, as a team, as a squad, were you aware of any inkling of what Kevin was going to say after the game?

GARETH SOUTHGATE

No not at all, not at all, I mean it took us by surprise when he spoke to us in the dressing room, and you know I think the players were disappointed that that was the way he felt but I think we all know that he's a man of principle and you know I thought he showed tremendous dignity in all the interviews that I've seen him give, I thought he was very honest and very frank and I think he, you know, is somebody who should be greatly respected.

DAVID FROST

Well here he is, Gareth, just that, that farewell speech just for a moment, Kevin Keegan's farewell.

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DAVID FROST

Well that was it, were the players in tears, shocked, relieved or did you just have a discussion of who's next?

GARETH SOUTHGATE

No I think everybody was very shocked, I mean you have to bear in mind there is immense disappointment at, at the performance and the result of the game anyway, so I think everybody was, was very down at that point and when Kevin had what he had to say that added to the, the disappointment that was already in the dressing room.

DAVID FROST

Did he tell you, the players, before he told the press?

GARETH SOUTHGATE

Yes he did, I mean I think that's his way, you know I think he, he feels that the players and his staff are the most important people and he wanted us to know first.

DAVID FROST

Gareth, thank you very much indeed.

GARETH SOUTHGATE

Okay, you're welcome.

DAVID FROST

Good luck in Finland.

GARETH SOUTHGATE

Thank you very much.

DAVID FROST

Even more important than it was before Finland, so that when he came off he went first to the dressing room and that's where he unleashed the first bombshell, yeah?

DAVID DAVIES

He talked to the players, as Gareth has said, I then went into the dressing room, as is my responsibility, to, I always allow a period of time for Kevin to talk to the players at any game before going to take Kevin round the usual round of interviews and it was clear to me, you know I've had the privilege of being in dressing rooms in a number of parts of the world with the England team and there was nothing quite like that dressing room when you walked in and Kevin straight away came over and told me his decision, like the players I was, I was shocked by the timing of it, it was very, very sad but a decent, a very brutally frank person, a very decent person doing what he did. I cannot sit here and say honestly to you I was totally surprised by the manner of his going┐

DAVID FROST

Really?

DAVID DAVIES

He, he, he feels that he has taken the team as far as he can and he's very disappointed about that but people must respect him for, for coming to that conclusion and we do respect him, we tried to talk him out of it, out of his decision, Adam Crozier, our Chief Executive, myself, our chairman, tried to talk him out of it but you know I've known him since he was a player with Liverpool and when he makes up his mind he makes up his mind.

DAVID FROST

And now the search starts, David, all over again, how long will it take to find a successor?

DAVID DAVIES

As long as it takes, Howard Wilkinson, we have two stages of this, Howard Wilkinson who has vast experience, who took Leeds of course to the championship, who's our technical director, he will take the team to Finland and he's already, we were already planning, he was already planning and, and the staff were already planning last night for that and then after Wednesday when God willing we'll get a result that is, that is, that's very helpful to us we've only lost one game, there are 21 points to go┐

DAVID FROST

That's right┐

DAVID DAVIES

Kevin feels┐

DAVID FROST

You've only played one game┐

DAVID DAVIES

We've only played one game as well, be realistic┐

DAVID FROST

Look on the bright side┐

DAVID DAVIES

Absolutely.

DAVID FROST

David thank you very much for bringing us up to date on that amazing postscript to the game, the Kevin Keegan saga.

END

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