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BBC BREAKFAST WITH FROST INTERVIEW: RT REV DAVID SMITH, BISHOP OF BRADFORD and MANWAR JAN KHAN JULY 8TH, 2001

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DAVID FROST: Well as we have just heard in the news it was a terrible night, 80 people injured and up to 30 arrested, West Yorkshire Police said that local residents were terrified at the scale of the violence and said even the police were taken by surprise. Joining us now from Bradford is the Rt Rev David Smith, the Bishop of Bradford and Manwar Jan Khan from the Manningham Resident's Association. Manwar what, what do you think went wrong last night?

MANWAR JAN KHAN: I think fundamentally what went wrong in '95¿there is a real fundamental failure coupled by the lack of confidence by the police, by the Asian communities in the police, so there's a real problem there of actually the Asian communities, well all the communities in Bradford not trusting the police in terms of protecting them from right-wing extremists.

DAVID FROST: And what, what do you feel Bishop, do you, do you feel that that's a correct analysis?

DAVID SMITH: I think there's undoubtedly some people from outside came in, I think their motives were bad, they wanted to stir up trouble, I don't doubt they were politically motivated and unfortunately some people locally joined them in one of the worst nights of violence I've ever seen in my life.

DAVID FROST: And it was really, it was really ugly out there, wasn't it?

DAVID SMITH: It was very ugly indeed and lots of damage has been done, buildings absolutely destroyed and for the people of Manningham, I feel for them, to have this kind of violence on their streets is absolutely appalling.

DAVID FROST: Manwar what in the end do you think was the outside influence - from outside Bradford?

MANWAR JAN KHAN: Well I think let's be clear about this, well what we need to be clear about is the National Front provoke the Asian communities in this and the Asian community felt very, very insecure and weren't feeling protected and let's be also very clear that they were talking about 150 youths who were kind of like the main, kind of like people who were throwing the bricks and the stones. The vast majority of the community, the residents of Manningham, the thousands of them, were just looking by as bystanders and were the victims and what we see behind us, we need to make sure that Manningham now doesn't become the ghetto of, of, like many cities and once again the young people of Manningham are forgotten and the lessons of '95, the lessons of 2001 are learnt again by the policy makers, by the institutions who are as much to blame for what happened yesterday as kind of like the National Front and others.

DAVID FROST: David Smith, were you, were you amazed by what happened yesterday or last night or was this something you feared from the last few months was, was coming?

DAVID SMITH: I feared that there would be some violence because there'd been all sorts of signs and I thought after Oldham and Burnley, Bradford probably would be next. I was absolutely astonished and appalled by the extent of the violence and the length of time it went on. I was here as was here, as was Manwar, in 1995 but this is far, far worse and I think it's, I agree with him entirely most people in Manningham want to get on with their lives peacefully and last night was a very bad day indeed for this area.

DAVID FROST: Why do you think Manwar there was such an assault specifically on the police, we hear, as you know, 80, 80 police injured, is the police situation in Bradford as bad as that sounds or is that an unfortunate statistic but it's not as bad as it sounds?

MANWAR JAN KHAN: Well the police community relations in Bradford, like Burnley and like other places as well, has broken down considerably. You know there've been, after MacPherson there's been no response by the police to engage with the local community, particularly the young community and I think there's a fairly, a fundamental failure by the police to actually look at reform and how it's going to engage with the communities and part of that problem was about building the confidence. The Asian communities didn't have the confidence, the police didn't restore the confidence in communities to protect them from right-wing elements and the police need to learn some very, very clear lessons from that.

DAVID FROST: Thank you both very much indeed and let's hope the lessons are learned by everybody indeed in that situation.

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