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Wednesday, January 21, 1998 Published at 17:04 GMT Talking Point Millennium bug - Are governments doing enough? Your reaction <% ballot="49471" ' Check nothing is broken broken = 0 if ballot = "" then broken = 1 end if set vt = Server.Createobject("mps.Vote") openresult = vt.Open("Vote", "sa", "") ' Created object? if IsObject(vt) = TRUE then ' Opened db? if openresult = True AND broken = 0 then ballotresult = vt.SetBallotName(ballot) ' read the vote votetotal=(vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes")+vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no")) if votetotal <> 0 then ' there are votes in the database numberyes = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes") numberno = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no") percentyes = Int((numberyes/votetotal)*100) percentno = 100 - percentyes ' fix graph so funny graph heights dont appear 'if percentyes = 0 then ' percentyes = 1 'end if 'if percentno = 0 then ' percentno = 1 'end if else ' summut went wrong frig it numberyes = 0 numberno = 0 percentyes = 50 percentno = 50 end if end if end if %> Votes so far:
I left programming work in 1985, and even then we were
talking about the changes needed for the millennium. The problem
has been clear for a long time. I think that most of the responsibility should
be on the programmers and analysts. If any of the systems I am
currently working on fail it would be my responsibility not the governments.
Governments should not spend any money maintaining antiquated programs and
equipment. Millions of lines of unstructured code are almost impossible to
modify. It will cost only slightly more to install new systems and write
entirely new code. Given the power of modern programming tools, it may even be
faster. Out with the old - in with the new.
Governments should take the lead. They need to put Public Sector systems right
and advertise what they are doing. Most people still either don't know about
the problem or think it's just hype.
When you last wrote a cheque, did you put '98 or '1998' for the date ?? That's
the problem....
as an IT Consultant, how can I be certain that every time I wrote some code
this decade
I used four digits for the year ? This problem is not just related to old
software, there are a
lot of software applications still in use which either don't fail if two
digits
are used, or in some
cases won't yet even allow the use of four digit dates. The IT industry is
taking a very
responsible attitude.....this is a very real issue.....it's not hype.
People should not turn their noses up at what could possibly be the greatest
challenge of the computer age. Government needs to move quickly to raise
public and corporate awareness and implement a policy that will protect
themselves and companies from the potentially huge data losses. Ask yourself
if your VCR were to stop calculating the date how inconvenient it would be and
then apply this to your National Insurance or Tax affairs and then criticize extent of the problem.
First there was Taskforce 2000 led by Mr Gunier who complained it was
underfunded. Now we have Action 2000 led by Cruikshank with a budget of GBP
1m. The government spent GBP 20 million on the first AIDS campaign. The
disparity is unbelievable. The health and safety threat from embedded systems
is real and underestimated. I can but assume that the GBP 370m set aside is
for the legal liability of the British Government come 2/1/2000. It cannot be
based on costings for the Y2K problem, since all reports suggest that they
haven't completed their impact analysis yet.
Here's the problem, they (governments) can't do enough whether or not they want to. There will be turmoil in financial and other computer systems that we take for granted in everyday life, but, as your article states it will be a disruption and nothing more. The millenium bug is a problem society will take in its stride when the clock ticks over, and deal with it. We human beings are resilient that way.
Being involved in the training of programmers, we make them fully aware of the
inpact of the date change. We concentrate on the COBOL code that will feel
the impact most greatly. It is not so much governments that need to combat this
problem, but the companies who need to update their code.
I am working for a company that has devoted significant resources to ensuring our
own internal computer systems and those run for our clients are year 2000
compliant. I really don't know what the government is supposed to do. Everyone in the
industry has been aware of this issue for at least 10 years and many have
chosen to ignore it . No doubt they will want the government to bail them out
for their own failings but this should not happen.
The question of whether the year 2000 issue is a government one is unclear.
Obviously the government must (like all other organizations) ensure that it's systems are year 2000 compliant, but the majority of the issues concern private companies who must get their act together.
The reason that industry is complaining about the lack of adequate provision
of resources to tackle the problem is not because they want the tax payer to
shoulder their costs. Rather they are concerned about the failure of
government owned infrastructure. It's no good industry sorting its problems
out if their staff can't get to work because the traffic control computers
have gone down, or the inland revenue, social security, health service etc.. all of whose computers are required by private industry. So what is to stop industry from taking legal action against the government should the whole lot go a little bit 'wonky' on Jan 1st 2000?
What is the government(s) supposed to do?. They can hardly check
every microchip in the country, so it's really down to the companies that
own the equipment to make sure anything important is not affected.
Huge amounts of money will be made out of this issue in the next two years by
companies and individuals within the Information Technology industry. Because
of this, there is a great deal of hype as 'experts' spring up to predict
doom.
The fact is that people within the I.T. business have always known about the
potential problem. The sensible companies, such as the one I work for, have
been planning to make their products year 2000 compliant for ages and will be
ready in plenty of time (mid-1998 in our case). The real problem is with the
older computer systems which in many cases are no longer supported by those
who
originally produced them. There are many millions of lines of such programs,
often totally undocumented, where no-one knows if they will work after the
milennium or not. This is where the major part of the problem actually lies,
not with the software currently on the market. Sure, there will be problems
in 2000 but NOT on the scale that the scaremongers predict.
Many people are looking at the problem, but it seems that while programmers
are getting paid over the odds for this, many techies, although working just as
hard on hardware etc, are being paid peanuts.
I think it's not just important for each government to look after their own
systems. There should be some sort of body set up to ensure that everyone is
doing their part. For example, who is going to provide the funding to allow
developing countries to check and fix their systems - after all, fixing the
problem requires more money than most people realise. In fact, with computing
being a relatively 'new' technology, most people aren't aware of its wide
ranging effects.
Canada is just waking up to the fact that the government has screwed up on
this issue royally - as usual.
If Labour's Millenium bug problems are anything like their Millenium Dome
problems then the whole country is doomed!
I have been a computer programmer for nearly ten years. There's a lot of hype
surrounding this. A lot of people are trying to make a fast buck out of it.
But many UK companies will collapse, major areas of infrastructure are likely to collapse worldwide at least for a time - in my view. Wake up UK business.
Put it this way. Virtually every cash machine in Britain will have to be
replaced. How many have been replaced thus far?
I know people who are trying to solve these problems and they have quite
clearly stated, 'that for many companies, it is already too late.'
This could cause the biggest financial crash ever known. Mortgages will be
affected, some pension companies cannot do any calculations after
the year two thousand. I wonder why????
I just get the feeling that we are deliberately waiting for a disaster to
happen. Then will come a perfect opportunity for governmental and financial super powers to arise. HuMMMMMM.
The burden for fixing the Millenium Bug should fall on the incompetent
companies who have installed software or hardware unable to cope with what was after all a wholly predictable problem. It is ridiculous that the government should be spending so much money when it is clear who is at fault.
The problem is that we won't know whether we did enough until midnight on 1 January 2000
The argument that says: The only people who say that the government has done
too little , are the companies with financial interests in solving "Millenium
Bug" problems"
may be true but, can we really afford to be this complacent? SO many of today's
essential services (from banks to telecoms to health care systems) run on
computers that might be affected in one way or another. Finding out if your
computer system can cope with the year 2000 is not just a matter of typing in
the date 1-1-2000. It is far more subtle and complex than that.
When it comes to the "Millenium bug" I think that we cannot be too careful.
Our LIVES truly do depend on it.
I cannot believe, with the money to be made if one finds the "solution", that
this dilemma will not be solved. I am concerned that a great deal of the hype
being generated is so huge amounts of money can be charged to "fix" the
problem. Especially for those with personal computers and small business.
Yes, the government is doing all, it can possibly do with today's technology.
Obviously enough, when the technology improves in the next few months, a
strong
solution will be found to fix the millennium bug...
I have known about the millennium bug
some time and it seems as though the
government has been rather slow on the
uptake. The potential scale of the
problem is huge and there are only two
years to sort the mess out in. The
government could have done more much
earlier, in particular, preventing the
sale of millenium sensitive software and
hardware (ie. software and hardware
which will be affected). The government
had a responsibility to notify everyone
as soon as the problem was recognised,
instead a number of companies do not
understand how they will be affected,
especially small businesses.
What the government has done in Britain is fine. As a computer user I'm well aware of the problem, in part due to the government's campaign, and I have taken steps to make sure that I'm not affected by the bug.
There's no way the government should bow to all the hype. The only people who are making a fuss are those with a vested interest in handling the bug. Where's the £370m going? You can bet companies who fix the problem aren't trying to cool the hype.
Very few people are doing "all they can". Even if the problem is
over-estimated, chaos will rain if we sit back and let it. It's not a hoax. In
times of war, we need to fight together against a common enemy - in this case:TIME.
The government needs to sort out only
its own systems, let private companies
and individuals worry about theirs.
If we get the nanny state too worked up
over this they'll ban the millenium.
The theory that I subscribe to is that we will all be too inebriated on
1/1/2000 to care! |
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