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Tuesday, January 20, 1998 Published at 17:28 GMT Talking Point Will Mowlam's visit to the Maze make a difference? Your reaction <% ballot="" ' Check nothing is broken broken = 0 if ballot = "" then broken = 1 end if set vt = Server.Createobject("mps.Vote") openresult = vt.Open("Vote", "sa", "") ' Created object? if IsObject(vt) = TRUE then ' Opened db? if openresult = True AND broken = 0 then ballotresult = vt.SetBallotName(ballot) ' read the vote votetotal=(vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes")+vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no")) if votetotal <> 0 then ' there are votes in the database numberyes = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "yes") numberno = vt.GetVoteCount(ballot, "no") percentyes = Int((numberyes/votetotal)*100) percentno = 100 - percentyes ' fix graph so funny graph heights dont appear 'if percentyes = 0 then ' percentyes = 1 'end if 'if percentno = 0 then ' percentno = 1 'end if else ' summut went wrong frig it numberyes = 0 numberno = 0 percentyes = 50 percentno = 50 end if end if end if %> Votes so far:
These men are revolutionaries for Northern Ireland and criminals for the rest
of the world. People just don't give up their livelihood, hopes and
aspirations for nothing. These are people who have dedicated their lives to their homeland and are prepared to die for it much as the English people were prepared to do in the Battle of Britain. They should be treated well and as men and not as lunatics or fanatics.
Any effort given to communication towards peace should be commended. I wish our political leaders could do the same, here in the States and in Ireland.
I feel that Mo Mowlam's efforts, including her unprecedented visits to the
Maze are to be highly recommended. We pray that her efforts and all those who long for peace, will soon bring real results. We will never give up hoping and praying for peace in all of Ireland.
The blockheads in Northern Ireland
don't seem to understand that the only
way to stop a war is to sit down and
talk to your enemies - even if they come to the table carrying all their
weapons.
The worrying point about Dr Mowlam's visit to the Maze is that the "Peace
Process" by now has no clear objective but its own self-perpetuation.
All events in the province are assessed with reference to the benchmark of how it will affect that process.
Yes, it will make a difference in the long-run because it is no doubt that she
has been making concessions to them. Which ones are they? Early release
probably, as well as an improvement of their detention conditions. Officially,
after the meeting with the loyalist prisoners, she did state that progress
had to be made on the POW issue...
I frankly think that she has given concessions to the loyalist inmates (ie
early release...). I don't see how else she could have bagged their support.
Tne next time Mr Adair and Mr Stone sit down in their nice, comfortable cell, they should think about the price paid for such privilege before going on about non-esistent concessions to republicans.
Her visits to the terrorists are an insult to the people murdered in the
Province.
What a brave step!
Someone had to talk to these people. Whether we like it or not they hold the
key to compromise and now the public realises this.
I think talking to the prisoners was a last resort. But only time will tell
as to whether it will adversely effect the talks process.
Oh yes! Many years of slaughter on both sides will definitely not make a
difference. In order to enhance life, we must take risks.Ms Mowlam has the
guts
to go beyond the politics and beat a path to a brighter future for Ireland.
Cheers... keep on trying!
The decision to treat terrorists as ordinary criminals was bound to cause
trouble when peace negotiations got under way.
If a peaceful settlement is to be arrived at then certain compromises have to
be made - Mo Mowlam was right to take the plunge and go to the Maze. If only
the extreme absolutist views are embraced then we will never reach any middle
ground on which to build a settlement!
Once again we have our politicians running to the people of violence to pamper their every whim. Will the government ask the advice of those imprisoned for drink driving offences before they contemplate lowering the legal limit? Of course not! The government will GOVERN as elected to do so. There are elected representatives available for involvement in discussion/negotiations. They are the ones who Dr. Mowlam should talk to.
It is funny, The British who pride themselves on Democracy and Human Rights can't give the Catholics their country
To me, Mo Mowlam doesn't have a waining political reputation. Since coming to office, she has shown more courage, determination and imagination than any of her predecessors in trying to oversee a solution to Northern Ireland's troubles.
As far as I was aware, criminals have no right to vote, so how can they have
any say in the running of the country. Anyone who is a convicted murderer is a criminal not a soldier - what about the Oklahomka bomber and Unabomber, I suppose they are different. I don't agree with the British army being in Northern Ireland, but we should not leave the people of of Northern Ireland to massacre each other.
If it can do any good at all then she must give it a go. It may be a disaster but so would doing nothing. At least she has the courage of her convictions in trying to turn the situation around.
I do not think it will make any difference long term and I believe it is wrong
to waste time hearing the views of these criminals
Of course, it is much too early to tell if a substantive difference has been made by Dr Mowlam's visit at least to the mindset of the Loyalist prisoners held in the Maze.
Nelson Mandela and other imprisoned members of the ANC were regarded by the South African Government very much in the same way. Ultimately though the South African government were left with no choice but to accept that peace in South Africa would not be achievable without the involvement of the Africa National Congress prisoners. The only difference is that they were released from prison PRIOR to any discussions taking place, Perhaps we should be thankful that these prisoners are not insisting on the same thing.
If the UK government talks to the governments of Israel, Palestine or South Africa they are talking to people who have all used violence to achieve their political aims. Are terrorists only terrorists while their aims are still unachieved ? It should be realised that many situations worldwide would never have been resolved without someone breaking the stalemate and taking risks. This is what Mo Mowlam has done and she should be applauded or her courage and foresight.
British governments appear to have been talking to terrorists since 1974 at least (covertly, that is; they made no secret of negotiating with terrorists in the Twenties).
I think that if there is even a remote possibility of extending (or ensuring)
peace in NI then it must a good thing.
It's very easy to sit on moral high ground Britain and preach that convicted criminals shouldn't be consulted in the Northern Ireland peace process. The facts of the matter are that the prisoners inside the Maze hold a great deal of influence with others outside the Maze walls. Mo Mowlam has to take account of the facts - and she is doing so.
Mo Mowlam has, I think, the best interests of Northern Ireland at heart but
she
is displaying that naivete which has been something of a hallmark of this
Administration.
"Jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war", Nye Bevan
Her sincerity is beyond doubt, in her desire to achieve lasting peace with justice in Northern Ireland. God bless her.
They will still be convicted terrorists after she has gone but they may have
more respect for the need for a settlement through talking. Mo Mowlam deserves our admiration.
I am far from being narrow-minded about any thoughts concerning politics, "morals", etc., but personal responsibility is the final and the bottom line of it all.
Mo Mowlam talking to inmates in the Maze is equivalent to Bill Clinton discussing Gun Control with Timothy McVeigh! These people are Terrorist Criminals, the sort Mowlam is supposed to try and deter. She is clearly not up to that job and should make way for someone who is.
If speaking with the prisoners helps keep all parties involved in the talks then
it certainly will have been well worth the effort and criticism.
It is quite obvious that the Americans (even after Oklahoma) have yet to learn
that domestic terrorism is carried out by thugs and not freedom fighters.
Before we (UK citizens) talk about morals, why shouldn't we try bringing peace to our land before criticising others elsewhere? If needs must, I back Mo Mowlam decision. If she can win over these loyalist terrorists
perhaps they could pursued others to further go down the road to peace.
I think she has been played for a fool by the leaders of the political wings
of both loyalist and republican organisations. Both sides talk of peace but
neither side wants peace, if they did then disarmament would've happened. The ordinary man wants peace but not at any price!
There is not sane alternative to dialogue. Mo Mowlam is doing a great job at
trying to create some space to keep everyone on board - we have had too many years of entrenched positions from everyone involved.
Mo Mowlam is by far the best N.Ireland secretary we have had in a long time. She should be congratulated for her commitment and determination in trying to move the peace process forward. Whatever that takes.
Of all the difficult briefs in the British Government or any government, one of the most difficult has to be Mo Mowlam's particular responsibility. She
has shown remarkable political skill and courage in her first seven months in the post as Secretary of State and her going to the Maze prison (to the contrary of appearing weak or as an act of desperation) rather gives me the
impression that she will meet people half way to achieve the goal of peace in an area of the world where intransigence has ruled for
decades. Cheers to Dr Mowlam!!
Mo Mowlm is demonstrating courage and more particularly originality. For far too long beaurocratic "stuffiness" has been the basis of negotiation in Northern Ireland.
Mo Mowlam is a courageous woman.
Talking is better than terrorism.
Firsty, I feel it needs to be said that the majority of the Maze prisoners would not be incarcerated if not for the Troubles. These men are not criminals, and whether we choose to agree with their tactics or believe as they do, they should not be treated as such. They are soldiers. Of course they should be included in the process. To be blunt, their opinions weigh too heavily within their own communites to be disregarded, despite their convict status.
Matthew Nord from USA, says "they are not criminals they are soldiers."
Well, Matthew you've obviously been sucked in by the usual IRA propaganda which attempts to portray killers of unarmed women,children and others, as well as cowardly bombing and sniper attacks on police and army, as justified.
Unfortunately ,although these men are murdering terrorists, judging by history, one has to include their views or they very definitely do have the ability to wreck the peace process. The other question though ,is, do some of them want peace?
About time a British minister has actually bothered to speak to the real
decision makers directly. Ms Mowlan must be congratulated on her brave,
progressive, initiatives.
Northern Ireland needs change, politicians and prisoners with set views cannot give us that. If democracy does not work in Northern Ireland, I
don't know what will. Mo Mowlam is a courageous woman who wants a peaceful solution for Northern Ireland. She should be saluted for going the extra mile.
Surely we have not yet reached the point where talking to prisoners is to high
a price in trying to acheive a lasting peace. What is the real goal: Peace or
not?
It makes my blood boil to see so called respected politicians running to talk to convicted murderers and bombers. How can anyone treat criminals as if they are special when they have been convicted for the simple reason that they stepped outside of the democratic process accepted by the vast majority on both sides.
These terrorists should not be consulted on a democratic process on which they have turned their backs. Normal convicted criminals do not have a right to vote. Why should these creatures deserve any better?
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