Nato has attempted to calm fears over the use of depleted uranium weapons.
Nato Secretary-General George Robertson has promised to give a "high priority" to investigations that depleted uranium has caused cancer in former soldiers.
Italy, Germany and several other countries are demanding more information from Nato on DU munitions, but Nato remain confident that there is minimal risk to health.
Is their use justifiable? Is Nato putting its soldiers and peacekeepers at risk unnecessarily? Has the possible risk to civilians been adequately assessed by Nato?
This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.
I refuse to believe that, in the twenty-first century, DU is the only weapon capable of stopping Saddam's army. I do, however, believe that it's extensive use in the Gulf War probably indicates a financial benefit. If there is anything that can be learned from the politicians of today it is that there is nothing more important to them than money, and ignore the consequences. After all, not one of them will ever be held responsible for this or any other environmental disaster.
David Pringle, UK
I don't really have any sympathy with the army personnel - they dumped the stuff all over Serbia and Iraq and forgive me - but how was this DU ever going to be safe? Now they say they will use tungsten - well it is a bit late now.
So the pursuit for "democracy" requires war? Does anyone realise the controversy of these words? How can anything be called democracy if you impose it by violence? DU is a crime. If the Hague Tribunal is an impartial court of justice, then cannot Nato be tried? Or is it that only Nato can bring someone to that court? And who gave the right to Nato to set the rules for democracy? If their democracy is fought with carcinogenic substances, than, we need no such democracy!
Nikola Cobic, London
The pursuit of democracy sometimes requires the act of war and sacrifice
The pursuit of democracy sometimes requires the act of war and sacrifice. Our armed forces should always have the best weapons available to protect them. Especially while fulfilling the political objective of fighting a dictatorship which was persecuting a minority group. DU poses little radiation risk (less than your watch).
The weapons are fine. They are designed to kill and destroy an enemy in war. The problem is using them in a situation like this. They are not designed to be used in a nation building/ saving conflict. I believe it is a war crime to use these types of munitions in a heavily populated area when there is no war.
Depleted uranium poses an unnecessary level of risk to the armies of Italy, France, Belgium, Spain and Holland. It is incumbent upon these democratic nations to remove their soldiers from the Balkans arena immediately. The risks of action are simply incalculable.
As I am a serviceman in the RAF I have obvious fears about depleted uranium.
And though I would greatly welcome any thorough independent enquiry I feel that we shouldn't unilaterally ban depleted uranium weapons, instead put them on hold until all information is in.
The producers of DU weapons must prove through clinical trials that these weapons do not pose a threat to human health, rather than the victims having to prove that Uranium is radioactive and toxic.
The dangers posed by DU were known years prior to the Gulf War
R Stewart ,
The controversy over Depleted Uranium raises serious questions not only about DU itself but also about the integrity and independence of our so-called 'free press.' As far back as 1984 warnings were being sounded about DU and its effects. An FAA Advisory Circular 20-123, dated 12/20/84 warned FAA crash site investigators that: "While the depleted uranium normally poses no danger, it is to be handled with caution. The main hazard associated with depleted uranium is the harmful effect the material could have if it enters the body. If particles are inhaled or digested, they can be chemically toxic and cause a significant and long-lasting irradiation of internal tissue."
So the dangers posed by DU were known years prior to the Gulf War. Yet DU was used once again in the Balkans, despite the various warnings which were ignored, not only by the authorities but also by our "free press". Only now, when the danger posed by DU can no longer be ignored, has the mainstream media given prominence to the potential dangers of DU. Only now after the deaths of thousands of allied servicemen and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. In effect our so-called 'free press' has provided cover for what are essentially War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
R Stewart ,
I served in the UNPROFOR, IFOR and SFOR missions in Bosnia when I was in the Royal Navy. It was the most worthwhile thing I have ever done in my life, assisting in some small way a country torn apart by war return to peace. The US airforce fired over 10,800 DU rounds from A10 aircraft, their own troops were not on the ground at that time, they will not expose them to any risk. But they will put the lives of their allies at risk. The US armed forces and Department of Defense must answer to their cavalier attitude with the health and safety of their allies. If they are not prepared to risk their own ground troops until it is safe to do so, they should not rely on their allies to do the risky jobs. The US knew the risk of DU ten years ago, that is why they stopped producing DU ammunition for the Vulcan Phalanx gun which they sold to the Royal Navy, together with the risky ammunition, did they also disclose the risk?
Unbelievable hypocrisy! First we heard the claim that the war in Kosovo was 'humanitarian'; has anyone ever heard of a worse oxymoron than this? Then we discover that during this 'humanitarian' war, DU weapons were used, even though we've been hearing about the Gulf War syndrome, the increased child cancer rates in Iraq, and their possible relation to DU, for years. Surely, DU is more dangerous when breathed or eaten than when one is simply exposed to it? Now, as it climbs up the food chain, the entire region of the Balkans could possibly be at risk. Well done, NATO for a successful 'humanitarian' solution to the Kosovo problem. Who voted these people to power, anyway?
Don't hold your breath. The mills of the M.O.D. grind slow, very slow. Just ask any survivors of the 1950's nuclear tests in the pacific.
Yes, DU weapons should absolutely be banned. War is horrific under any circumstances, especially air war against civilians such as was conducted in Kosovo, and it is only a further atrocity for the governments of nations that delude themselves into considering themselves "humanitarian" to wage war using weapons which will have lasting effects not only on generations of innocent people but on the other creatures on this planet that have had no part in any war and do not deserve to be poisoned at our convenience.
No one seems to be drawing the obvious conclusion
No one seems to be drawing the obvious conclusion. NATO knew about the dangers back in 1991, Pentagon scientists have admitted as much. NATO claimed its efforts were driven by humanitarianism. NATO is poisoning the people it claimed to be protecting. Ergo, NATO lied.
Does no one then ask themselves why they are really there, and was their role as innocent as we are led to believe? They have spent billions upon billions of dollars, surely they expect a return?
It looks like that Iraq needs to send weapons inspectors to the US. We obviously can't trust the word of the US military.
Yes they should be banned unless and until those who make and use them can show that they cause no lasting damage other than that from the impact. Even then they are hardly useful since the tanks have been coated in DU. Why not agree to take DU off of both? Maybe those who make both the tanks and the shells that can bust them would not make enough money. A pox on them and the MoD for their betrayal of those who were willing to die on our behalf.
The thing about DU is that radioactivity isn't the hazard, it's that DU or any uranium, is highly chemically toxic apart from the radioactivity, as it is a heavy metal and bonds so well with neurological-related ions. If you are looking for this stuff in squaddies, you need to check both the brain over the ears with a CATSCAN or the liver likewise. It's far worse than mercury.
Walt O'Brien, USA
Do wounded soldiers ever complain about lead poisoning? I always thought that if people signed up for the military, they should expect to get wounded or killed. Perhaps the media should be running a series on work being done to find non-violent resolutions to conflict. Pressure for the diversion of some of the outrageous amounts of money devoted to arms and war, towards researching peaceful means of dialogue would undoubtedly eliminate this problem. Isn't it time the people of this and every nation grew up, and realised that the world is too small for our petty prehistoric behaviour.
C Graham, UK
What is there to debate? It is insane to produce or use nuclear products - full stop - whether in weapons, power plants, or food irradiation. There is absolutely no way to safely dispose of the by-products - and there never will be a safe method. It is a disgrace for the US to be spreading this nuclear violence around the world. It is being used by my government and the corporations involved as a way to dispose of some of the huge accumulation of nuclear waste for which there is no long-term solution.
Tim Steorts, USA
Given the evidence, using them again in Kosovo was irresponsibility bordering on insanity
M. Baldwin, UK
The Kosovan war was hailed by some as the first war ever to be fought on purely humanitarian grounds. Given that the whole purpose of the exercise was to protect the people of Kosovo, I find it beyond belief that they did so by peppering the country with radioactive shells.
We have three indisputable facts: namely, inhaling or ingesting uranium leads to illnesses such as cancer; thousands of tons of uranium was dropped on Iraq; since then there has been a tenfold increase in childhood cancers in the areas most heavily affected. Only Nato and the MoD could fail to see the logical conclusion. Given the evidence, using them again in Kosovo was irresponsibility bordering on insanity.
M. Baldwin, UK
I served in Kosovo from December 1999 to July 2000.
My biggest health-related concern about my duty there is the levels of other pollution like air pollution, open sewage, asbestos.
I wonder if the hazardous levels of pollution are contributing to those soldiers' deaths?
Of course it should be banned. Where is the public outrage for the things that our governments
are doing in our name? We've been lied to, manipulated, somebody made a good profit out of
manufacturing this weapon too! Now, since our loved ones are not in grave danger from it
all we can do is sit back and relax !? After all, it is happening to some people we don't know, we have nothing to do with, and it is not affecting us in any way, so why should we care? Horrific.
MOD apologists, are trying to avoid admitting, for as long as possible, what they and others have known for years. That is, that tiny amounts of alpha emitters, such as depleted uranium, pose a small threat when outside the body but a massive threat when ingested through breathing or eating / drinking.
They know that this will eventually out, but are seeking to delay as long as possible, aware that litigation claims for potentially massive damages by UK and foreign military and civilians will have greater chance of success once these facts are admitted.
Alan Holloway, Portsmouth, UK
Would Nato object to other countries it perceives as potential enemies stock-piling and using, off-shoots of nuclear weapons? It is a fact the US and its allies have been the first in using and in fact inventing every destructive weapon in recent history. The notion of using weapons of mass destruction to shorten wars rings hollow for the Japanese, Vietnamese or Iraqis who decades on are suffering from deformities in new-borns and many other wounds that history won't heel.
I can't believe the foolish amount of hype this thing is getting. Less than 30 soldiers have become ill, out of several hundred thousand? Come on people - that's not even a standard deviation off the norm. Until more cases are reported, statistical analysis does not show that alarm is warranted.
I hope a hard lesson has been learned
I can't see the US or Britain admitting responsibility for the after-effects of using DU mainly because of the many lawsuits that will surely follow, but I hope a hard lesson has been learned. Not only are allied lives at risk here because of the UN's irresponsible actions, but these kinds of toxic chemicals must surely have had a harmful impact on the soil which means that cattle are not safe to graze nor crops grown in these specific areas. This is what happens when men do not stop to think of the grave consequences of their actions - all mankind suffers.
The Balkan was testing ground for future wars. Technology was enhanced, equipment was tested and profits were made. The questions regarding the conduct of war are left for those who wish to pretend that ethics and war can be in the same sentence. The enemy is not DU, Nato or the Serbs/others; rather it is ignorance, arrogance and hate.
Before the technology is improved to put the planet out of orbit, humanity needs to grow. The solutions is to ban hateful conduct (i.e. pouring poison on others). The power of intellect is far more persuasive than DU arrows thrown at the Serbian tanks. The sorrow is that the greed of war overcomes common sense.
Jason Adamsez, US
Let's consider the situation. We've got one tank and one DU missile. We fire the DU misslile at the tank and blow it to smithereens, making a crater the size of tennis court and turning the soldiers inside into steam. And we are worried about the health of the person who fired the missile! Does anyone think our concern here is slightly misplaced?
Roddy McLachlan, Scotland
When the weapons were designed they were for use in a possible world war where the radiation levels were expected to be high anyway, soldiers and civilians alike would almost certainly have been exposed to radiation! Nato needed an effective and cost-effective way of defeating Warsaw Pact forces and depleted uranium was it - it rips tanks to pieces. Unfortunately the Americans forgot to inform everyone that their weapons were radioactive, including their own ground troops!
Tom O'Donovan, UK
The cancer risk to civilians is significant
Little has so far been said in the media about the civilian casualties of depleted uranium shells. Yet evidence has been available since as far back as 1995 that the cancer risk to civilians is significant. In the Basra region of Iraq, for example, the child cancer rate has risen 10-fold since the Gulf War, when approximately 350 tons of depleted uranium was fired by the allies.
The Anglo-American public opinion in the Gulf War was largely sustained by the premise that only military objectives would be targeted. I doubt that the purely humanitarian argument against the use of DU weapons will hold any sway with decision makers; educating public opinion in order to make their use politically unviable is the only solution.
In the 1950's my Uncle was in the Navy. While off the coast of Australia, they were all sent up on deck to watch the nuclear tests.
About 12 years ago he went to the doctor with a cough. Within 8 weeks he was dead from lung cancer.
The MOD denies any responsibility....
Perhaps next time
decide war is the
answer they should
take up arms
fight it out,
leaving the rest of
us to rejoice at
Without that added range
artillery would be more at risk
My understanding is that using DU increases the range of
a shell due to the added density of the metal. Without that added range
artillery would be more at risk and more soldiers would be killed. Hence it is
not the use of but the handling of these weapons that needs to be looked at.
After serving in Bosnia for aprox 12 months, I find it hard to hear people to say this should be banned, that should be banned etc. If we didn't use DU rounds there would be many, many more people dead. I will, however, be taking the British Government up on their offer to screen people.
I know this sound ridiculous, but the notion of banning certain weapons on health grounds is laughable in the extreme - surely the point of a weapon is that it is entirely destructive. Since when did we begin to get selective about what weapons we would use and whether they would carry any side-effects?
Look at Agent Orange. Is this fair?
Sin Lee Huang, UK
If DU were eventually found to be blamed, will all the victims be compensated? I fear not. It is most likely that rich man soldier are the one to be compensated while those truly innocent victims, the civilians, are not even though they receive the highest level of exposure and the whole community is suffering from it instead of isolated cases as in the case of returning troops. Don't believe me? Look at Agent Orange. Is this fair?
Sin Lee Huang,
If a person is willing to up his/her life for their country, then every attempt should be made to assist him/her in the future or when they need it. This country (government) appears to forget these people in THEIR HOUR OF NEED.
Many people are comment as if the link to cancer is de facto, this is remains to be seen. I myself have strong suspicions regarding DU ammo, but I will reserve judgement until I know all the available facts. I am pleased that countries like Italy and Portugal are leading the investigation as I have little faith in the US ever announcing the ammo as hazardous, and unfortunately the UK tends to do what it is told to do and say what it's told to say by it's big brother the US.
The answer is 'Yes'. Replace the DU with Gold and the problem is solved whilst retaining the penetrating power of heavy metal. What's more enemy armour will queue up to be fired at just for the Gold delivery. Gold is marginally more dense (higher SG) than Uranium 239.
Sgt. Mike finds it his "sacred" honour to defend and die for his country. He has been fed so many lies that he is starting to believe them himself. That's sad because his superiors don't care about his wellbeing, although they might say they do. Wake up Sgt. Mike, dying while fighting for the capitalistic goal is neither sacred, nor honourable. Or has the uranium gone to your head?
If we stopped trying to kill each other in the first place, this would not be an issue
C J Hendrick,
We are a violent species and our entire history is based on one people conquering another. Our basic religions are based on our fear of death and yet we continue to discover and invent new ways of killing each other.
There is no point in worrying about how a soldier might die. Like all of us, he will die one day from one thing or another.
Live by depleted uranium, die by depleted uranium.
If we stopped trying to kill each other in the first place, this would not be an issue.
Education, education, education - these are our three greatest weapons against self-destruction.
C J Hendrick,
Perhaps we should ban weapons of all descriptions. When war breaks out foot soldiers should be used, and their mode of attack should be to creep up on the enemy and shout BOO! very loudly. If they are sufficiently good at the new combat their enemies will be reduced to gibbering wrecks and the battle will be won. Come on, get real. Weapons are dangerous. That's why they were made in the first place.
Would you consume agricultural produce or drink water from Serbia?
It's ironic to be concerned only about the consequences of the use of uranium to Nato soldiers' health. What about the land of Serbia that is contaminated for 4.5 billion years (average life of uranium)? Would you consume agricultural produce or drink water from Serbia? How are the next generations going to live on this land? 30 years later, Vietnam is still contaminated by Agent Orange. It's a NIGHTMARE, but it's true...
Any sceptics out there regarding the use and after-effects of DU in warfare, I have one suggestion for you. Take a visit to Iraq where the rate of leukaemia has multiplied 10-fold since the Gulf War, especially in the south where it was most heavily used.
The question is not if Nato should ban uranium weapons, but if Europe should ban Nato altogether..
My wife's Danish stepfather was in Kosovo with the UN. He has now been diagnosed with Leukaemia. The problem lies not in the fact that the DU weapons were used, but that UN officials (non-combatants) were not warned nor given adequate protection against the effects. When will governments stop covering up truths they think we don't want to know?
Warnings were issued to treat the white powdered areas with caution
Ed Austin, New Zealand
Aircraft engineers working on DC10s in 1975 were concerned when the DU
used extensively for counterbalancing flight control systems, started to
oxidise. Warnings were issued to treat the white powdered areas with
caution. It was common to open a panel to see (and breath) the white dust.
After grinding, filing or sandpapering away the oxide, some mechanics and
their clothing indicated excessive radiation readings. To my knowledge at
least one mechanic was hospitalised. He appears to be still in good health
Around 1980, McDonnell Douglas replaced the DU weights on DC10's at great
expense. I wonder why?
Politicians in the US and Europe are only concerned with the wellbeing of their soldiers. While this is an important issue, what about the civilians who have to deal
with the effects of these weapons long after the soldiers
have left? In the West, at least there is access to healthcare and treatment. What about in Serbia and Kosovo?
Looks like Agent Orange all over again. Is there a civilised war? Guess that my country needs to reassess what it calls humanitarian actions. Maybe these weapons are necessary. But if so, soldiers and civilians need to be protected from the after-effects. Or can they be?
Why can't we ban all kinds of weapons, so that
people can only fight with their bare hands?
Why does DU exist?
Why does DU exist?
The same reason mustard gas, "going over the top" and the frontal assault exist. Two words - cannon fodder.
Or am I being too cynical about Nato's higher-ups?
Trust me - having been to Serbia there is no doubt the US/ Nato soldiers there would rather be someplace, anyplace, else. Nato is not the source of all the problems of the Balkans. I would much rather have spent the time with my family.
US in the UK
I am in the US Marines and when I
signed up for the
armed forces I knew
the risks that some
weapons put on my
health. But it's my sacred honour to lay
down my life and my
HEALTH to protect
my country and its
citizens. I fight and sometimes it's
necessary to use
some weapons to
shorten a war. If
not more people
would DIE and a
higher chance my
buddies would too.
All those who say "War is violent, so
what's the fuss?" seem to pride themselves on
their so called common sense and pragmatism,
and anyone who disagrees is a "loony lefty".
But is there anything logical or pragmatic about a
soldier avoiding a quick death by destroying a
tank, only to suffer a long lingering death from
the very weapon he uses for its destruction?
Those who order the use of DU weapons and claim they are safe should have a part of their homes made into DU weapons depots.
Of course all weapons and all wars are terrible
Vandenrijt Katrien, Belgium
Of course all weapons and all wars are terrible. And we would all like to see all weapons banned, but we also know that that is not practical. But if a weapon goes on killing long after a fight is over and it is killing innocent people and the soldiers who are sent there to defend those people, it definitely should be banned. I think it is even worse that the western governments will not admit that it are their own weapons which are killing our soldiers.
Vandenrijt Katrien, Belgium
Heavy metals are needed in the making of armour piecing shells. In peacetime we do not allow lead in paint but in war clouds of heavy metal dust are most probably being blown by the wind over the whole area of conflict. The cost of losing a war would be higher than some exposure the these hazardous substances.
John Ley, UK
Isn't it just typical of our European "allies" to cry and complain about anything the Americans do - until they need their messes cleaned up on the Continent. Then they dial "911" and we have to send our sons over there to take care of business. War is nasty business and we should use what we have to in order to get the job done.
The fact of using weapons containing depleted uranium in the Balkans provides The Hague Tribunal and its Chief Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte with an excellent opportunity to demonstrate their impartiality and evenhandedness.
This country witnessed some horrifying use of weapons such as mines
As someone who was able to travel to Bosnia shortly after the war, this country witnessed some horrifying use of weapons such as mines. In an ideal world, these weapons should be banned because of the environmental and health implications for the civilian population (and obviously the troops trying to keep the peace) after the fighting has finished. However, in modern warfare, weapons such as DU prove to be very effective against the enemy. Most Western armies want to hit targets a lot more quickly, surgically and effectively without putting their own troops at immediate risk from the enemy. Unless there is a massive health risk, these weapons will, unfortunately, continue to be used.
This reminds me of the tests the US
used to do with nuclear weapons - i.e.
seeing how soon after detonation a
ground force can advance. Until we
know the full effects of these weapons,
without inadvertent testing on soldiers
and civilians, they should not be used.
Once again, Nato cares ONLY about its soldiers who spend a month or two in the Balkans and does not give a damn about the civilians who live there and whose children will be born with genetic defects for generations to come.
At least the French and German leaders are accepting there is a problem and are trying to protect their troops
Andrew Reid, London, UK
Unfortunately war is a very dangerous game. We have been peddled the lie by the UK and US media and governments that it can be carried out in a clinical way with minimal casualties. This proves that the reality is very different. At least the French and German leaders are accepting there is a problem and are trying to protect their troops. The UK should think twice next time before blindly following the US into another war!
When I signed up for the US Army I knew that it was a commitment to give my life for my country if needed. This is something that soliders in every volunteer army in the world knows. I knew that I would be exposed to weapons that would be both deadly to the enemy and possibly me. Risk always has and will be part of the job.
Maybe depleted uranium is dangerous, maybe it
isn't. But we also need to consider whether it
would cost more lives not to use it. All other
things being equal, more people get killed if it
takes longer to win a war, so let's make sure
it's not going to jeopardise more lives than it
protects before we ban it.
Frankly, I am a fascinated by the Europeans' response to this whole fiasco. First, they supposedly have a problem in their own backyard. Then they let the US lead a war to bomb a neighbouring country into submission. And now they are complaining. With as much Christian charity as I can muster - it serves you right. It (Kosovo) never should have happened in the first place, and maybe this ensuing peripheral tragedy will teach you all a little lesson. War is never the right approach, and should never be the first option.
In war you use weapons to win
In war you use weapons to win. The more destructive a weapon is, the greater the chances are for a victory. War is not about throwing sticks and stones. If you're not willing to go all out you will lose. Uranium is a weapon that should be used in war since it inflicts injury before and after it is used. After all who said war was kind?
I disagree with Fraser's comment entirely. War is not war. There should be limits to what is acceptable and what isn't. His opinion might be different if he was in the armed forces rather than having a very cosy office job!!
Andrew from the Isle of Wight - how are you planning to enforce your global weapons ban? Uranium and nuclear weapons kept the US and USSR from each other's throats for most of the last fifty years.
The Geneva Convention attempted to tackle this very issue decades ago with little obvious effect
It's difficult to know where to 'draw the line' as far as weapons are concerned. The Geneva Convention attempted to tackle this very issue decades ago with little obvious effect. Depleted uranium tipped rounds just happen to be perfect for slicing through armour plate and I'm afraid no amount of debating will prevent the military from using it. The bottom line is that weapons are designed to destroy, maim or kill. Whether it's napalm, landmines or D.U., if it's effective on the battlefield then chances are it'll stay in use.
The real problem is that Nato might yet again have ruined the country they said they were trying to save. But then it wasn't about trying to save them - it was a political stunt. Just look at the relative value of British pilots compared to civilians. As long as our precious pilots were safe at 15,000 feet it didn't matter what happened on the ground. Same argument
The after-effects of depleted uranium use are well known. It is not just a matter of people dying from one cause or another. People in the Balkans Iraq, and the armed forces will be dying for years to come from the toxins released. Let's not put our heads in the sand.
Less effective weapons prolonging
conflict or even leading to a defeat
on the battlefield would likely cause
far more casualties than the limited
exposure suffered by soldiers.
The solution should not be a ban
but a search for ways to minimise
the exposure (protective gear, ways
to clean up DU from the battlefield
and so on).
The UK government can and should be able to do more than just keeping "an open mind"
Dr Riz Rahim,
The British Ministry of Defence (MoD) may find some justification, as the Pentagon did, in not considering exposure to depleted uranium (DU) a serious enough problem to warrant a monitoring of the veterans of the Balkan war. But, after the Gulf War syndrome experience, one wonders if the MoD keeping "an open mind" about DU is enough of a concern. It is true that most of the troops still in the Balkans routinely undergo medical tests, and those out of that area can take it upon themselves to get a medical check, but the UK government can and should be able to do more than just keeping "an open mind".
Dr Riz Rahim,
After the Gulf War we should be used to the American forces killing more Allied soldiers than the enemy manages to. First we had "friendly fire" now we have "friendly weapons".
Bruce Walton, England
People who fire weapons regularly have high levels of lead in their blood because of the microscopic dust that's created when a bullet rushes through a gun barrel. Replace the lead with DU and you know what happened here.
By the way, does anyone remember the British vehicles that came back from the Gulf after they were fired upon by an American A10? Those vehicles were treated as nuclear waste!
It shouldn't be forgotten that depleted uranium can also be released, in similar conditions to military use, in air crashes such as the 747 accidents in Amsterdam and Stansted. This is because it was once used for balance weights in the tail. Maybe there should be a program to remove it from these aircraft.
Steven McLachlan, England
I think people should be more concerned with that than weaponry
Steve Brown, UK
There are far more toxic chemicals than DU being leeched into our environment by industry. I think people should be more concerned with that than weaponry, which, by its nature, has always been hazardous to health!
Steve Brown, UK
I have read all the comments that people are making about war, weapons and especially DU weapons. I think its pathetic that everyone is complaining about DU saying that it causes cancer. How many of the people complaining about DU smoke. Smoking causes more deaths in the world than most wars. Wars are not pleasant they are not like the movies. However the only way the UK can remain an effective fighting force is to have the latest weapons and the best training. I was a soldier in the British Army and came into contact with DU as well as other munitions. I don't smoke and am in perfect health. People stop getting on the bandwagon, maybe you should look at banning smoking instead. I suppose you don't go against that because people who die from smoking are not put in the media, their death isn't dramatic enough.
Tony Blair was the most ardent exponent of the Kosovo expedition. His silence on this issue is deafening.
Major Chris Klein,
Remove NATO, remove the US from our European soil and all misery will be gone along with them.
I can't believe what I've read here. One American is arrogant enough to suggest that "bad food" and "cigarettes they smoked" are more likely to have caused leukaemia than DU! Outrageous!
Come to Kosmet and spend a few months down there if you think DU is harmless.
The problem here is not that weapons kill those that are targeted. The problem is that they kill those who are using them. If we were talking about cheap bullets that kept pre-firing causing death or injury to the user there would be no argument about changing the ammunition no matter how accurate it was. This is an issue about causing severe illness and/or death to the users, not what the weapons are used against.
How about some definitive proof. Is the link between the cancer and the DU ammunition proven, or is it anecdotal? It sounds like unsubstantiated panic because of the word uranium. What levels of radiation do DU shells expose their users too? What precautions are used?
No one is demanding we cease using x-ray machines, despite the fact that they expose people to radiation. The reason is clear - they save lives. Does the use of DU shells save lives? I know many will find that a ridiculous question but does their use save the lives of our soldiers? If it does, which I think very likely, then banning them is tantamount to killing our own troops - exactly the complaint we are hearing concerning their use. I guess its okay to doom our troops by providing them with inadequate weapons.
Let's wait until there is more proper evidence
So what are we saying here - that weapons can be dangerous, that soldiers are at risk? And what is the proof that the cancer was caused by this and not by, say, the food they ate, the lead in the bullets or the cigarettes they smoked? Let's wait until there is more proper evidence.
It seems clear from the lack of bombing accuracy and the large numbers of civilian casualties during the Kosovo crisis that the billions of pounds/ dollars spent on high-tech armaments have been wasted. Yet we continue to throw more money at the MoD. How many more lives are to be squandered before we recognise that the only benefactors are the arms manufacturers? The weapons don't work and the innocent, be they soldiers or civilians continue to pay the price. In this new millennium isn't it time that we found new more peaceful, cheaper even, ways to settle differences?
These weapons have proven to be highly effective. Perhaps our whining allies might prefer to use mines. I am personally in favour of providing our military with the best possible weaponry.
War is messy. People die in it. That's the way of the
world. Rather than asking whether we should be clearing up the bits of
DU scattered around the Balkans, we should be asking
why Nato was involved there in the first place.
Weapons are only useful if they can
be controlled to target an enemy
Clive Mitchell, UK
Weapons are only useful if they can
be controlled to target an enemy. If a
weapon goes on killing and maiming
long after the fighting is over, it should
not be used at all. Mines have been
banned by many countries - there are
always other ways of destroying tanks
and killing people.
Not only should these weapons be banned but also all those politicians and generals of the rogue societies who knowingly, deliberately and intentionally used these weapons of mass destruction against innocent people should be treated as indicted war criminals committing heinous crimes against humanity and brought before an objective, impartial, universally acceptable global court of criminal justice for trial.
The British and American Governments are so two faced. They tried to fool us into thinking they were fighting the Kosovo war to save lives. We all saw through these lies. Then they use these weapons on innocent people. They don't care about anyone but themselves. It makes me ashamed to be British, especially as I read in the press today that the UK is trying to develop a similar bomb to the one the Russians have been using in Grozny. Seems to me that the whole world is going mad.
There appears to be a lot of hysteria and misinformation surrounding depleted uranium weapons. The danger of radiation contamination is minimal and linked to the cloud of dust caused by the weapon's impact. The dust disperses fairly quickly with little danger to the public. There is, however, an increased risk to troops in the immediate combat area.
I wonder how fast your previous contributor would jump onto the 'left wing/ hysteria bandwagon' if it was his young, previously healthy brother who was dying from leukaemia or it was his family's land that was poisoned? I can understand that these weapons are 'useful' in combat but if we are trying to move towards combat that is based on humanitarian grounds than perhaps it is time to reweigh the usefulness of these weapons with what seems to be their devastating effects on innocent people.
If weapons harm the people who are using them then this must be seriously looked at
If weapons harm the people who are using them then this must be seriously looked at. So should it if long-term effects are present after their use. Sure, we would like to see all weapons banned, but we know also that that is not practical. The "bad guys" will always keep and use theirs. As for saying that a particular type of weapon should be banned: what does it matter how it destroys the enemy?
Depleted uranium (DU) is a stable variant of uranium. When the shells penetrate armour, intense heat causes the DU to burn, forming uranium oxide which is potentially harmful. Essentially the problems are caused by the by-products of war which are nothing new. Shells still lie unexploded in Belgium, atolls in the Pacific are still uninhabitable. It's the price we pay for technological advancement; our eventual extinction.
Why such an outcry on the use
of DU in the Kosovo conflict? Is it because
this time DU was used on European soil? Was
DU not used on the Iraqi army 10 years ago?
Would any Nato member country agree to have uranium weapons fired on their own territory? Which one and where?
How do we Europeans allow the US to ship a cartload of highly toxic munitions and then tell us to detonate it on our own doorstep?
What I have always failed to understand is how we Europeans allow the US to ship a cartload of highly toxic munitions and then tell us to detonate it on our own doorstep..
Uranium is surely a highly toxic and radioactive element, and at the end of the day, it is not the Americans that are going to suffer from its use in Serbia but surely the whole of Europe and the Mediterranean.
It is a worthy debate to consider the use of deadly force against an evil government, where rape, murder, torture, and theft are promoted. It is worthy to debate weapons of mass destruction as per se, evil. But I see no worth in debating the characteristics of the metal in a bullet. The long-term effects of DU on the battlefield are trivial relative to unexploded ordnance which are lethal for generations.
R. L. Hails Sr. P. E.,
What must be remembered about the American use of chemical weapons throughout history is that America has never really had to live with the consequences of the use of chemicals weapons.
I think that the use of weapons such as Depleted Uranium by America would not come so easily if they affected by their actions.
As I come from a country where DU was used, I am horrified by the cruelty of some comments I have read here. All wars are terrible, all weapons are terrible, but the worse are those like DU, which produce such consequences. Their victims are always the innocent, plus the very soldiers who use them. They should definitely be banned.
Comments like 'War is war' seem to be missing the point that NATO is killing its own soldiers with DU. And would Mr. Newdick like to stand up in front of the families of the 6 dead Italian peacekeepers to tell them that the 'dangers... range from the minimal to the non-existent'. It is an ignorant comment from someone who obviously knows nothing about the dangers of radiation. I am not a 'noisy left wing nut', I am a doctor.
The fact that these items contain radioactive material of such high levels means that these weapons come under the same banner as nuclear arms. They should be subjected to the same regulations and phased out as soon as possible. NATO thinks it can just dump these things all over the world, bully smaller states into their way of thinking and then leave.
As Donovan Said "He's the universal soldier and he really is to blame and without him all this killing can't go on."
You join the army you make your choice to expose yourself to death and injury. I don't see the difference between being injured by a weapon in your care and being shot or bombed. Personally it makes me sick that people still see the need to fight wars and that for me is the real point, not which weapons hurt who.
Surely the issue is to stop the conflict from occurring in the first place
Surely the issue is to stop the conflict from occurring in the first place. I don't see it's particularly relevant whether the injury is cancer due to depleted uranium or various parts blown off due to a hand grenade. Once fighting starts, horrific injuries are certain regardless of the weapons used.
These are highly effective weapons whose "radiation" dangers, though not to be dismissed out of hand, range from the minimal to the non-existent. I'm afraid this is one of those subjects where the mere mention of the word "uranium" brings every noisy left wing nut out to join the hysteria band-wagon (adding not a little of their own in the process).
Mark M. Newdick,
It is ironic that Nato's solution to a political problem may have produced a humanitarian disaster for the very population it was trying to protect. Whilst the danger to soldiers is starting to come out into the open, what about the civilian population whose land has maybe been polluted for generations to come?
War is war. You'll die one way or the other.
Gulf War syndrome and Balkan syndrome is same thing. Nato officials knew for 10 years, since the end of the Iraq war about this problem. There are a couple of studies in USA and Canada (since those bombs are made in Canada) about the connection of DU and Golf War syndrome.
All weapons should be banned. The fact that they exist puts every soul on this planet at risk.
Isle of Wight